From xhomer at isani.org Sun Feb 1 05:17:39 2004 From: xhomer at isani.org (Tarik Isani) Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:17:39 -1000 Subject: [pups] DEC PRO or P/OS Message-ID: <20040131191739.GA6934@isani.org> Fred N. van Kempen wrote: > Well, those programs emulate both the CPU (which *is* the same as > those found in the PRO systems), but *also* the surrounding stuff > like disk controllers, serial controllers and so on. > > It would not be (that) hard to add "PRO" emulation to SimH, if some > sort of hardware specs are still available. > > cheers, > Fred This is actually exactly what I have done. The emulator is available here: http://xhomer.isani.org/ Tarik From kelli217 at crosswinds.net Thu Feb 12 11:28:16 2004 From: kelli217 at crosswinds.net (Kelli Halliburton) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 19:28:16 -0600 Subject: [pups] Just the FAQs, ma'am... Message-ID: <003d01c3f107$7e7a1160$24406b43@beta> Can someone direct me to the FAQ? From dfevans at bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Thu Feb 12 11:54:14 2004 From: dfevans at bbcr.uwaterloo.ca (David Evans) Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:54:14 -0500 Subject: [pups] Just the FAQs, ma'am... In-Reply-To: <003d01c3f107$7e7a1160$24406b43@beta> References: <003d01c3f107$7e7a1160$24406b43@beta> Message-ID: <20040212015414.GI25370@bcr10.uwaterloo.ca> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 07:28:16PM -0600, Kelli Halliburton wrote: > Can someone direct me to the FAQ? There's this... http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/pupsfaq.html which can be found here: http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/index.html There's this too: http://www.village.org/pdp-11/faq.html and this: http://www.pdp11.org/ -- David Evans dfevans at bbcr.uwaterloo.ca Ph.D. Candidate, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 Manual From ant at emict.com.ua Wed Feb 18 23:22:38 2004 From: ant at emict.com.ua (Andriy Tkachuk) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:22:38 +0200 Subject: [pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files? Message-ID: <001901c3f622$47c63980$6300000a@dima> Hi guys. $subj ? I've tried to seach the list, but no success. It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work Thanks, Andriy Tkachuk From andrit at ukr.net Thu Feb 19 01:50:43 2004 From: andrit at ukr.net (Andriy Tkachuk) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:50:43 +0200 Subject: [pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files? Message-ID: <000501c3f636$f7326dd0$6300000a@dima> Hi guys. $subj ? I've tried to seach the list, but no success. It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work Thanks, Andriy Tkachuk From wkt at tuhs.org Thu Feb 19 08:21:09 2004 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:21:09 +1000 Subject: [pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files? In-Reply-To: <001901c3f622$47c63980$6300000a@dima> References: <001901c3f622$47c63980$6300000a@dima> Message-ID: <20040218222109.GA40747@minnie.tuhs.org> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 03:22:38PM +0200, Andriy Tkachuk wrote: > I've tried to seach the list, but no success. > It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work Sorry, the list is now running under mailman. You can go to The files in Keith_Bostic_v7 are tape records directly from the original 7th Edition distribution tape. The original details on how to install such a tape are at: http://minnie.tuhs.org/PUPS/Setup/v7_setup.html file 0: block size 512: 16 records boot loader file 1: block size 512: 14 records standalone cat program file 2: block size 512: 1 records README file file 3: block size 512: 22 records standalone mkfs program file 4: block size 512: 22 records standalone restor program file 5: block size 10240: 202 records dump of / file 6: block size 10240: 937 records dump of /usr Probably the best way to extract the stuff from file 5 and file 6 would be to package the whole thing up into a SIMH tar file, and follow the boot instructions using a SIMH PDP-11 simulator. Or you could use a real PDP-11. If you only want the files, then Henry_Spencer_v7 has the same files. Cheers, Warren From Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de Thu Feb 19 08:25:44 2004 From: Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de (Hellwig.Geisse at mni.fh-giessen.de) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:25:44 +0100 (CET) Subject: [pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files? In-Reply-To: <001901c3f622$47c63980$6300000a@dima> Message-ID: Hi Andriy, On 18-Feb-2004 Andriy Tkachuk wrote: > Hi guys. > > $subj ? > > I've tried to seach the list, but no success. > It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work > > Thanks, > Andriy Tkachuk > some time ago I did exactly that, extract the v7 files in two formats: as a file hierarchy under Linux, and as a "tape" suitable to use with Bob Supnik's simulator. Here you can find the results: http://telexx.mni.fh-giessen.de/PDP11-UNIX/index.html Feel free to ask if you have any questions. Hellwig From wkt at tuhs.org Wed Feb 4 11:45:40 2004 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:45:40 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? Message-ID: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> Hi all, Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. Thanks, Warren From ckeck at mail.keck.cx Wed Feb 4 23:10:58 2004 From: ckeck at mail.keck.cx (Cornelius Keck) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 07:10:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: Warren et al: > Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent > available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a > copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their > header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. ftp.mayn.de used to serve the stuff, but it they switched servers, and it looks as if their archives are still high&dry. Planetmirror pleads amnesia.I grabbed a copy of mayn's coherent tree last April, some 2GB tgz'd. This is the complete Coherent installation, in form of a copy of .dd floppy images, and some additional pieces. Unfortunately I don't have any FTP server set up anywhere, so do you, by chance, have a place where I can drop it off? BTW.. should anyboy's response get nuked by my smtpd, please respond to usenet54 at keck.us. Cornelius -- Cornelius Keck cornelius at keck.cx / ckeck at texoma.net From ljb at merit.edu Thu Feb 5 02:09:14 2004 From: ljb at merit.edu (Larry J. Blunk) Date: 04 Feb 2004 11:09:14 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <1075910954.3793.11.camel@ablate.merit.edu> I have header files for QNX and SunOS 4.1.4 if you are interested. On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 20:45, Warren Toomey wrote: > Hi all, > Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent > available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a > copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their > header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. > > Thanks, > Warren > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs From asmodai at ao.mine.nu Thu Feb 5 03:53:20 2004 From: asmodai at ao.mine.nu (Paul Ward) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:53:20 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <111235107266.20040204175320@ao.mine.nu> Hello Warren, Wednesday, February 4, 2004, 1:45:40 AM, you wrote: WT> Hi all, WT> Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent WT> available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a WT> copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their WT> header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. I have Coherent 4.2.10 binary/source here. I'm in the process of uploading to tuhs ftpd. [asmodai at oberth.unixware.org.uk]$ ls -al Coherent-4.2.10.rar -rw-r----- 1 asmodai 100 20703444 Jun 14 2003 Coherent-4.2.10.rar -- Best regards, Paul mailto:asmodai at ao.mine.nu From wkt at tuhs.org Thu Feb 5 13:04:46 2004 From: wkt at tuhs.org (Warren Toomey) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:04:46 +1000 Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 07:10:58AM -0600, Cornelius Keck wrote: > Warren et al: > > Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent > > ftp.mayn.de used to serve the stuff, but it they switched servers, > and it looks as if their archives are still high&dry. Planetmirror > pleads amnesia.I grabbed a copy of mayn's coherent tree last April, > some 2GB tgz'd. I've put everything I've been sent or have found up at http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Other/Coherent/ Are you sure mayn's coherent is 2GB? I don't have that much room spare :) Thank all for your contributions!! Warren From ckeck at mail.keck.cx Thu Feb 5 18:14:07 2004 From: ckeck at mail.keck.cx (Cornelius Keck) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 02:14:07 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: Yikes, that what happens while typing in a decaf'd state. Sorry about the mixup, it's 20MB, not 2G. > I've put everything I've been sent or have found up at > http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Other/Coherent/ Hmm... mine's pretty much the same as the things underneath .../Coherent1, so that's already all there. The header files can be found at the usual place after installing the base, and optionally the kernel source. To get to the contents, one would need a fairly conservatively equipped PC ((34)86, 16MB, AHA1542C*, or IDE controller with a not too large disk), and another machine, running some recent *BSD/Linux/Solaris, to then install the goodies on the former, set up a UUCP connection to the latter, to get the stuff distributed in it's unpacked form, because, AFAIK, MWC never got around to implement any decent IP stack. I'm currently still in France, but I should have some sufficiently outdated hardware somewhere, to get this installed within one or two weeks. Hope this helps! Regards, Cornelius -- Cornelius Keck cornelius at keck.cx / usenet54 at keck.us From asmodai at ao.mine.nu Thu Feb 5 18:35:59 2004 From: asmodai at ao.mine.nu (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 08:35:59 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <105288061280.20040205083559@ao.mine.nu> Hello Cornelius, Thursday, February 5, 2004, 8:14:07 AM, you wrote: CK> Yikes, that what happens while typing in a decaf'd state. CK> Sorry about the mixup, it's 20MB, not 2G. >> I've put everything I've been sent or have found up at >> http://www.tuhs.org/Archive/Other/Coherent/ CK> Hmm... mine's pretty much the same as the things underneath CK> .../Coherent1, so that's already all there. The header files CK> can be found at the usual place after installing the base, CK> and optionally the kernel source. To get to the contents, one CK> would need a fairly conservatively equipped PC ((34)86, 16MB, CK> AHA1542C*, or IDE controller with a not too large disk), and CK> another machine, running some recent *BSD/Linux/Solaris, to CK> then install the goodies on the former, set up a UUCP connection CK> to the latter, to get the stuff distributed in it's unpacked CK> form, because, AFAIK, MWC never got around to implement any CK> decent IP stack. Yes, seems that we all gave Warren the same thing. I've had 4.2.10 running on a box for a while now - not done a thing with it yet re network stack. Photos of the box in "action". http://ao.mine.nu/Pics/MVC-537F.JPG http://ao.mine.nu/Pics/MVC-538F.JPG http://ao.mine.nu/Pics/MVC-539F.JPG There is a TCP/IP stack floating round for Coherent (I have Tulip and NE2000 drivers for it), but I forget where to obtain it now. If I locate it, I'll upload it for Warren to add. Incidentally, there is also no virtual memory support with 4.2.10. -- Best regards, Paul mailto:asmodai at ao.mine.nu From ckeck at mail.keck.cx Thu Feb 5 20:56:58 2004 From: ckeck at mail.keck.cx (Cornelius Keck) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 04:56:58 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: <105288061280.20040205083559@ao.mine.nu> References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> <105288061280.20040205083559@ao.mine.nu> Message-ID: > There is a TCP/IP stack floating round for Coherent (I have Tulip and > NE2000 drivers for it), but I forget where to obtain it now. If I > locate it, I'll upload it for Warren to add. Hmmm... could that have been ka9q, that MSDos thingie, adapted to use some NE2000 directly? > Incidentally, there is also no virtual memory support with 4.2.10. Yes.. but then Coherent was small enough to just squeeze by without, unless one installed X11, and started too many clients. -- Cornelius Keck cornelius at keck.cx / usenet54 at keck.us From asmodai at ao.mine.nu Thu Feb 5 21:17:55 2004 From: asmodai at ao.mine.nu (Paul Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:17:55 +0000 Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> <105288061280.20040205083559@ao.mine.nu> Message-ID: <29297777120.20040205111755@ao.mine.nu> Hello Cornelius, Thursday, February 5, 2004, 10:56:58 AM, you wrote: >> There is a TCP/IP stack floating round for Coherent (I have Tulip and >> NE2000 drivers for it), but I forget where to obtain it now. If I >> locate it, I'll upload it for Warren to add. CK> Hmmm... could that have been ka9q, that MSDos thingie, adapted CK> to use some NE2000 directly? Appears it is indeed, taken from the archive: info on tcpip.gtz Author: various Date: June 7, 1994 Copyright: freely distribatable for non-commercial purposes. Uploaded by: Randy Wright, (rw at rwsys.wimsey.bc.ca) Description: Adapted from KA9Q/K5JB, this is a user level implementation of tcp/ip. It has been modified to support 32 bit coding, event drive, and stripped of all that I could not test. It does not support ax.25 or netrom. It does support ethernet (with ne2000.gtz device driver) and slip. It has a dialer and a domain name client. Compiles with either gcc OR mwc compiler. requires: coherent 4.2 or higher. --Randy Wright A quick google reveals http://www1.vobis.de/bbs/firmen/ct/share/index_ch.htm to be a source for download (search for cohulip.tar). >> Incidentally, there is also no virtual memory support with 4.2.10. CK> Yes.. but then Coherent was small enough to just squeeze by without, CK> unless one installed X11, and started too many clients. The box I have it on is a 486sx/25 with 8Mb RAM - remembering the joys of X11R6 + fvwm back when it ran Linux 2.0.29, I'm tempted to install X11 on it now :) -- Best regards, Paul mailto:asmodai at ao.mine.nu From ckeck at mail.keck.cx Thu Feb 5 21:36:48 2004 From: ckeck at mail.keck.cx (Cornelius Keck) Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:36:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? In-Reply-To: <105288061280.20040205083559@ao.mine.nu> References: <20040204014540.GB85382@minnie.tuhs.org> <20040205030446.GB99755@minnie.tuhs.org> <105288061280.20040205083559@ao.mine.nu> Message-ID: > There is a TCP/IP stack floating round for Coherent (I have Tulip and > NE2000 drivers for it), but I forget where to obtain it now. If I > locate it, I'll upload it for Warren to add. BTW, some excavation on ftp.demon.co.uk shows this: Current directory is /pub/coherent/sources32/network/ [DIRECTORY] Parent Directory [FILE] 00INDEX. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [Nov 24 1998] 87B [FILE] 00demon. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [Nov 24 1998] 276B [BINARY] cohulip.tgz. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [Apr 17 1995] 840K [BINARY] ka9q.tar.Z . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [Feb 12 1995] 851K [BINARY] tcpipFIX03.tar . . . . . . . . . . . . . [Feb 12 1995] 120K The matching location on tuhs looks empty,btw. -- Cornelius Keck cornelius at keck.cx / usenet54 at keck.us From wes.parish at paradise.net.nz Mon Feb 9 19:24:09 2004 From: wes.parish at paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 22:24:09 +1300 Subject: [TUHS] IBM's AOS Message-ID: <200402092224.09361.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> Does anyone know anything more about it than I do, which is that it was a rebadged 4.3BSD for the RT platform? And stands for Academic Operating System? -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." From barron at telerama.com Tue Feb 10 02:44:27 2004 From: barron at telerama.com (Pat Barron) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:44:27 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] IBM's AOS In-Reply-To: <200402092224.09361.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> References: <200402092224.09361.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <1076345067.4027b8eb80ed1@webmail.telerama.com> Quoting Wesley Parish : > Does anyone know anything more about it than I do, which is that it was a > rebadged 4.3BSD for the RT platform? And stands for Academic Operating > System? The first version of AOS was basically a straight port of 4.2BSD. The second version was a straight port of 4.3BSD. As a friend of mine once described it, "With all the bugs, just like you remember them!" (since the initial releases were done without any of the publicly available fixes - though many of those were added over time) Aside from the support for "minidisks" (a way of dividing up a hard drive that was compatible with AIX 2.x for the RT, sort of like DOS/Windows "FDISK" partitions....), and support for some RT-specific devices like the ACIS Experimental Display, there really wasn't much remarkable about it, as such - just another port of 4.xBSD ... --Pat. From russell283 at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 05:44:26 2004 From: russell283 at comcast.net (russ) Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:44:26 -0700 Subject: [TUHS] Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 References: <20040204020009.912C22044@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <009601c3ef45$2324c4e0$0400000a@inet> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:00 PM Subject: TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 > Send TUHS mailing list submissions to > tuhs at minnie.tuhs.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tuhs-request at minnie.tuhs.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tuhs-owner at minnie.tuhs.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of TUHS digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Location of a Coherent distribution? (Warren Toomey) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:45:40 +1000 > From: Warren Toomey > Subject: [TUHS] Location of a Coherent distribution? > To: The Unix Heritage Society > Message-ID: <20040204014540.GB85382 at minnie.tuhs.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi all, > Does anybody know of a distribution of Mark William's Coherent > available on-line, or if someone has a distribution could they make a > copy for me. Ditto for Idris. I'm particularly interested in their > header files, and how closely they match the contemporary Unix headers. > > Thanks, > Warren > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs > > > End of TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 1 > ********************************** From macbiesz at optonline.net Thu Feb 19 08:26:08 2004 From: macbiesz at optonline.net (Maciek Bieszczad) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:26:08 -0500 Subject: [TUHS] RE: [pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files? In-Reply-To: <001901c3f622$47c63980$6300000a@dima> Message-ID: <000001c3f66e$34e9f850$02fea8c0@DELL> Normal GNU zip works fine for me. # wget [...]/f0.gz [...] 17:23:31 (73.37 KB/s) - `f0.gz' saved [4733/4733] # file f0.gz f0.gz: gzip compressed data, was "f0", from Unix, max compression # gzip -d f0.gz && file f0 f0: PDP-11 executable -----Original Message----- From: pups-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org [mailto:pups-bounces at minnie.tuhs.org] On Behalf Of Andriy Tkachuk Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:23 AM To: pups at minnie.tuhs.org Subject: [pups] how to extract Keith_Bostic_v7 files? Hi guys. $subj ? I've tried to seach the list, but no success. It seems, that http://minnie.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/pups.cgi don't work Thanks, Andriy Tkachuk _______________________________________________ PUPS mailing list PUPS at minnie.tuhs.org http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/pups From jdavid at farfalle.com Mon Feb 23 04:28:29 2004 From: jdavid at farfalle.com (David Ruggiero) Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 10:28:29 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Oldish UnixWare 2.x boxed copy - useful to TUHS or someone? Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20040222102606.00b70e90@postal.farfalle.com> Subject says it. I've got an old (well, 10+ years old) copy of Unixware (pre-old-SCO; I think it's release 2.01 or 2.03) in a boxed set with manuals, CDROMs, patch diskettes, etc. Is this of any use to TUHS or someone else as a donation or is it "too recent"? cheers, /David/ From wes.parish at paradise.net.nz Sat Feb 28 20:47:13 2004 From: wes.parish at paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:47:13 +1300 Subject: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem Message-ID: <200402282347.13723.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> I downloaded the two Quasijarus distros, and tried " tar zxvf *.tar.Z ", and nothing happened. I was under the impression that gzip (both standalone and included in tar) knew how to handle compress files. Apparently not. My system's Mandrake 9.2, tar (GNU tar) 1.13.25. Is there some incantation I'm not doing? Any ideas? Thanks. -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." From msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG Sun Feb 29 03:04:34 2004 From: msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG (Michael Sokolov) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 04 09:04:34 PST Subject: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem Message-ID: <0402281704.AA01091@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Wesley Parish wrote: > I downloaded the two Quasijarus distros, Not sure which two do you mean, but keep in mind that the current release is 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0c, and that Warren's archive is no longer the main distribution site for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus and is not up to date. The main distribution site for 4.3BSD-Quasijarus is ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG. > I was under the impression that gzip (both standalone and included in tar) > knew how to handle compress files. Apparently not. Use real compress, get it from ifctfvax.Harhan.ORG:/pub/UNIX/components/compress.tar I'm using compress -s mode, which produces the same strong compression ratio as gzip (stronger than original compress), but without the politically unacceptable letter 'g'. MS From lm at bitmover.com Sun Feb 29 12:26:45 2004 From: lm at bitmover.com (Larry McVoy) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:26:45 -0800 Subject: [TUHS] Re: TUHS Digest, Vol 9, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20040229020016.2F8381FCC@minnie.tuhs.org> References: <20040229020016.2F8381FCC@minnie.tuhs.org> Message-ID: <20040229022645.GA30103@work.bitmover.com> This is a sort of lame message but I'm having a sort of lame day, dealing with some lame people who created some lame problems and I'm sick of lame. OK, enough with the whining already. The good part is that I got a message from this list. I am on a zillion mailing listings, I've been around since the arpa net had 11 IMPs, and long enough before that that I wacked pathalias. I witnessed first hand the first posting of +-------------------+ \ WARNING: Morons / \ next hundred / \ postings / \ !!!! / \ / \ / \/ back in the days where netnews was how we communicated and virtually everyone on news had a PhD or a Masters or was headed there (those were the days, eh?). I love getting mail from this list, it brightens up my day. After a day of nothing but cleaning up other people's messes, people who work for me and should know better, I was in a foul mood. Really foul. And then some mail from this list showed up and it just changed my whole day. Not because the mail was that uplifting but because it is a connection to my past, back when I used to argue with Guy Harris and thought I was right, back when all I wanted was to work at Sun. I really like this list, it's bright spot, but I wished you people were a little more vocal. Maybe it's just me but I wonder if I'm really the only one who revels in the past a bit... Maybe I need to get out more :) -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitkeeper.com From hubby at nather.net Sun Feb 29 12:08:17 2004 From: hubby at nather.net (Markus Weber) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 20:08:17 -0600 Subject: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem In-Reply-To: <0402281704.AA01091@ivan.Harhan.ORG> Message-ID: > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Sokolov [mailto:msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG] > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem > > Not sure which two do you mean, but keep in mind that the current > release is 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0c [...] I just updated the SIMH installation tape and pre-installed disk images to Quasijarus0c. See www.itsecuritygeek.com, Downloads, Retrocomputing. Markus --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 From wes.parish at paradise.net.nz Sun Feb 29 17:18:21 2004 From: wes.parish at paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:18:21 +1300 Subject: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200402292018.21880.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> I've just started downloading the Quasijarus0c disk image and the tape install file; I'd been using the tribug.org site, and that only has the Quasijarus0 and Quasijarus0a distributions. Thanks to all who offered me assistance and pointers. I appreciate it greatly. Wesley Parish On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:08, Markus Weber wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael Sokolov [mailto:msokolov at ivan.Harhan.ORG] > > Subject: Re: [TUHS] Quasijarus.Z problem > > > > Not sure which two do you mean, but keep in mind that the current > > release is 4.3BSD-Quasijarus0c [...] > > I just updated the SIMH installation tape and pre-installed disk images to > Quasijarus0c. See www.itsecuritygeek.com, Downloads, Retrocomputing. > > Markus > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.593 / Virus Database: 376 - Release Date: 2/20/2004 > > _______________________________________________ > TUHS mailing list > TUHS at minnie.tuhs.org > http://minnie.tuhs.org/mailman/listinfo/tuhs -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." From wes.parish at paradise.net.nz Sun Feb 29 17:34:03 2004 From: wes.parish at paradise.net.nz (Wesley Parish) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:34:03 +1300 Subject: [TUHS] Microsoft, SCO, and a certain License Message-ID: <200402292034.03414.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> I know the SCO topic's been done to death, and all, but I was thinking about the Microsoft purchase of a Unix license (apparently) for their MS SFU (Windows Services For Unix) which contrary to the plain meaning of the name, is essentially a Unix (apparently OpenBSD, according to rumour) box on top of the Windows kernel and Win32 API. The question is, wouldn't that put Microsoft and the SCO Group in breach of the settlement between AT&T and Berkeley? If Win SFU _is_ OpenBSD, and Microsoft have bought a license to run it from the SCO Group of all people, isn't that in effect picking a fight with Theo de Raadt? This isn't definite, of course - some details I'm not sure of. But I think if this is so, we have some very interesting few years to look forward to. -- Wesley Parish * * * Clinersterton beademung - in all of love. RIP James Blish * * * Mau e ki, "He aha te mea nui?" You ask, "What is the most important thing?" Maku e ki, "He tangata, he tangata, he tangata." I reply, "It is people, it is people, it is people." From grog at lemis.com Sun Feb 29 17:54:30 2004 From: grog at lemis.com (Greg 'groggy' Lehey) Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:24:30 +1030 Subject: [TUHS] Microsoft, SCO, and a certain License In-Reply-To: <200402292034.03414.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> References: <200402292034.03414.wes.parish@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <20040229075430.GD49757@wantadilla.lemis.com> On Sunday, 29 February 2004 at 20:34:03 +1300, Wesley Parish wrote: > I know the SCO topic's been done to death, and all, but I was thinking about > the Microsoft purchase of a Unix license (apparently) for their MS SFU > (Windows Services For Unix) which contrary to the plain meaning of the name, > is essentially a Unix (apparently OpenBSD, according to rumour) box on top of > the Windows kernel and Win32 API. > > The question is, wouldn't that put Microsoft and the SCO Group in > breach of the settlement between AT&T and Berkeley? That settlement was superseded by Caldera's release of Ancient UNIX two years ago. See http://www.lemis.com/grog/UNIX/ and http://www.lemis.com/grog/UNIX/ancient-source-all.pdf. > If Win SFU _is_ OpenBSD, and Microsoft have bought a license to run > it from the SCO Group of all people, If it's OpenBSD, SCO can't give anybody a license to use it. > isn't that in effect picking a fight with Theo de Raadt? Why? As long as they use it within the terms of the license, I can't see that anybody can object. As you can see from http://www.openbsd.org/policy.html, about the only thing Microsoft could do wrong there would be not to recognize openly the fact that they got it from OpenBSD. > This isn't definite, of course - some details I'm not sure of. The most important detail is whether it was, in fact, derived from OpenBSD. This sounds very unlikely to me. If it were the case, why would they pay anything to SCO? > But I think if this is so, we have some very interesting few years > to look forward to. Even then, there's little that people can complain about. 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