From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Sat Aug 2 12:09:17 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA15451 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:09:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id MAA26157 for png-list-outgoing; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:04:54 -0500 Received: from sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id MAA26148 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:04:49 -0500 Received: from sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA16417 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 1997 12:57:17 -0400 (EDT) To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: PNG in QuickTime 3.0 Date: Sat, 02 Aug 1997 12:57:17 -0400 Message-ID: <16414.870541037@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List It says here that QuickTime 3.0 will support PNG: http://gemma.apple.com/mkt/informed/appledirections/aug97/stratmosaic.html If they do a good job, this might advance the availability of PNG by quite a bit. 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I think its great that IE4 has support for PNG; I understand that there are some limitations, but it seems suitable for my needs. While Netscape has support via the PNGLive plug-in, it currently doesn't work with the IMG tag, which present some issues for me. My question is: how should I reference the images? Via the IMG tag, the Object tag, or the Embed tag? I can possibly give the user options, but I'll still need to present a default. What is the preferred technique? What is most compatible with browsers users will use? And finally, will Netscape ever support it with the IMG tag? Also, while I'm committed to PNG support, has anyone come up with interesting ways of working around the GIF licensing issues (e.g.: plug-in directory for image converters, where a standard converter exists on the web). Any comments are appreciated. Thanks, greggf@natinst.com -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Mon Aug 11 21:06:07 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA26920 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:06:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA22994 for png-list-outgoing; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:01:20 -0500 Received: from shell.wco.com (shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id VAA22988 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 21:01:07 -0500 Received: (from png@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id SAA07210; Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:52:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708120152.SAA07210@shell.wco.com> To: greggf@natinst.com, png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: Re: PNG support in IE 4/Netscape 4 Cc: chrished@microsoft.com From: Greg Roelofs Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List > My question is: how should I reference the images? > Via the IMG tag, the Object tag, or the Embed tag? My miscellaneous-images page (http://www.wco.com/~png/pngs.html) has what I think *should* be the most portable solution, but it doesn't work reliably in either Netscape Navigator or MSIE yet. (It does work very nicely in an old Arena beta I still use, though...a miniature screen shot is available at http://pobox.com/~newt/greg_rgba.html .) Basically the idea is to wrap an IMG PNG or JPEG inside an OBJECT PNG with WIDTH and HEIGHT attributes; NN is supposed to honor the latter when a PNG plug-in is available or the former when not, and IE should just handle the former. Unfortunately, NN in the absence of an appro- priate plug-in just chokes on the OBJECT tag and fails to look inside it, while IE does that in every case. Technically this isn't *quite* a bug in either browser since the HTML 4.0 DTD hasn't been standardized yet and no previous standard supports WIDTH and HEIGHT in OBJECT tags. But Netscape, at least, *requires* the HEIGHT and WIDTH attributes in order to invoke plug-ins, so I claim this is definitely a bug in spirit. (I haven't tested 4.02b7, though.) As for Microsoft, I don't know why they don't notice they can't handle the OBJECT and simply proceed to inspect its contents (i.e., the IMG or whatever is inside), but they don't as of 4.0b2. I just got a message from someone at Microsoft, so I'll see if I can't encourage them to do something about it before 4.0 is released. And if it's a bug in my HTML (oh, the horror!), I'll fix it ASAP... > Also, while I'm committed to PNG support, has anyone come up with > interesting ways of working around > the GIF licensing issues (e.g.: plug-in directory for image converters, > where a standard converter exists > on the web). It's possible to create an uncompressed (actually slightly expanded) GIF stream compatible with LZW decoders but not actually requiring one; I don't know of anyone who's actually done this. At least one Unix app invokes the standard compress(1) utility to compress and uncompress GIFs, but you can't count on that on other systems. -- Greg Roelofs newt@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~newt/ Newtware, Info-ZIP, PNG Group, U Chicago, Philips Research, ... -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Tue Aug 12 01:55:42 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA28490 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:55:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id BAA25824 for png-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:54:45 -0500 Received: from jabba.ivab.se (jabba.ivab.se [193.180.173.30]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id BAA25818 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 01:54:41 -0500 Received: from arnold.image.ivab.se (arnold.image.ivab.se [193.180.173.119]) by jabba.ivab.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA23457; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:46:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fl-pc.image.ivab.se by arnold.image.ivab.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/16Nov95-0104AM) id AA17932; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:46:03 +0200 Message-Id: <9708120646.AA17932@arnold.image.ivab.se> From: "Fredrik Lundh" To: "PNG List" , Subject: Re: PNG support in IE 4/Netscape 4 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 08:54:12 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List >It's possible to create an uncompressed (actually slightly expanded) >GIF stream compatible with LZW decoders but not actually requiring one; >I don't know of anyone who's actually done this. The Python Imaging Library (PIL) does this. I pretty sure GhostScript does it too, and perhaps also ImageMagick. Your favourite search engine should be able to locate any of them, if you wish to look at some source code. Cheers /F -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Tue Aug 12 05:13:03 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA29832 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:13:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id FAA27453 for png-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:16:37 -0500 Received: from dkt00 (dkt00.dkt.com [206.150.208.244]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id FAA27447 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 05:16:34 -0500 Received: by dkt00 from localhost (router,SLMail V2.5); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:08:04 -0500 Received: by dkt00 from Cohodas (206.102.130.53::mail daemon; unverified,SLMail V2.5); Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:08:03 -0500 Message-ID: <33F03652.1862506E@dkt.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 06:09:22 -0400 From: "Howard A. Cohodas" Organization: Design Knowledge Technologies Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: PNG List Subject: Re: PNG support in IE 4/Netscape 4 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <862564F0.007CD223.00@notesmta.natinst.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C6EBA6F45EE3566A6DA3BB42" Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C6EBA6F45EE3566A6DA3BB42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gregg.fowler@natinst.com wrote: > > I'm working on an application that generates HTML files and images, > with > the images in either > JPEG or PNG format (I'm bypassing GIF because of the licensing > issues). I > think its great > that IE4 has support for PNG; I understand that there are some > limitations, > but it seems suitable for > my needs. While Netscape has support via the PNGLive plug-in, it > currently > doesn't work with the > IMG tag, which present some issues for me. > > My question is: how should I reference the images? > Via the IMG tag, the Object tag, or the Embed tag? > > I can possibly give the user options, but I'll still need to present a > default. > What is the preferred technique? What is most compatible with > browsers > users will use? > And finally, will Netscape ever support it with the IMG tag? > > Also, while I'm committed to PNG support, has anyone come up with > interesting ways of working around > the GIF licensing issues (e.g.: plug-in directory for image > converters, > where a standard converter exists > on the web). > > Any comments are appreciated. Thanks, > > greggf@natinst.com > > -- > Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu We have a dll that is able to encode GIFs both with and without invoking LZW compression. http://www.dkt.com/otfGIF Howard Cohodas -- _______________________________________________________________________ Design Knowledge Technologies Inc. 330.492.9900 (Voice) 330.492.1100 (FAX) BMP2GIF otfGIF_Maker: http://www.dkt.com/otfGIF --------------C6EBA6F45EE3566A6DA3BB42 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="vcard.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Howard A. Cohodas Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="vcard.vcf" begin: vcard fn: Howard A. Cohodas n: Cohodas;Howard A. org: Design Knowledge Technologies Inc. adr: 4883 Dressler Road NW;;Suite 301;Canton;Ohio;44718-3635; email;internet: Howard.Cohodas@dkt.com tel;work: 330.492.9900 tel;fax: 330.492.1100 x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: FALSE end: vcard --------------C6EBA6F45EE3566A6DA3BB42-- -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Tue Aug 12 10:10:28 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA02421 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:10:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id KAA00310 for png-list-outgoing; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:13:30 -0500 Received: from sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id KAA00305 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 10:13:19 -0500 Received: from sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA10444; Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:04:49 -0400 (EDT) To: PNG List cc: greggf@natinst.com, chrished@microsoft.com Subject: Re: PNG support in IE 4/Netscape 4 In-reply-to: Your message of Mon, 11 Aug 1997 18:52:38 -0700 (PDT) <199708120152.SAA07210@shell.wco.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 11:04:49 -0400 Message-ID: <10442.871398289@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Greg Roelofs writes: >> Also, while I'm committed to PNG support, has anyone come up with >> interesting ways of working around the GIF licensing issues > It's possible to create an uncompressed (actually slightly expanded) > GIF stream compatible with LZW decoders but not actually requiring one; > I don't know of anyone who's actually done this. Peter Deutsch has; see slzwce.c in recent releases of Ghostscript. (You can hardly see the phony-LZW code in amongst the overhead for being a Ghostscript filter module, but there's a very clear comment at the head of the file.) Because of the expansion factor, however, it's not clear that this is actually a useful answer for Web-related applications. Sending worse-than-uncompressed files around isn't going to make websurfers happy. There's also the little problem that you still need a GIF-compatible decoder (unless you want to make something that ONLY reads "uncompressed" GIFs). Unisys claim that their patent covers decoder-only software. Some qualified independent observers disagree, but do you want to risk having to argue about it in court? FWIW, I'm probably going to borrow Deutsch's method for the next release of the IJG code, since I don't want to give up JPEG->GIF capability entirely but do need to get out from under Unisys' legal threats. GIF->JPEG capability will be toast. (No one in their right mind does it anyway.) regards, tom lane organizer, Independent JPEG Group -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Thu Aug 14 22:00:20 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11005 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 22:00:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA10934 for png-list-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:32:06 -0500 Received: from gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg (gntcompaq.gintic.gov.sg [155.69.29.28]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id VAA10929 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 21:32:02 -0500 Received: by gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BCA95F.9FEA4910@gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg>; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:43:02 +0800 Message-ID: From: Willem van Schaik To: "'PNG List'" Subject: new version of pnmtopng Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 09:41:46 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Hi folks, Based on comments from Greg, I have updated the pnmtopng programs. They are uploaded to the incoming of SWRI. (Yes, thanks Keith :-) What I left out, allthough Greg implemented it, is the reading and writing of .pam files, a proposal for alpha support in netpbm by just glueing a .ppm and a .pgm together. I didn't include support for that, because this is not an "official" standard (but nothing on the net is ofcourse standard ;-) and because IMHO this is a bit halfhearted solution. I would favour very much to go through the effort of really creating a P7 and P8 .pam format for rgba images. One other thing I did not include was the sorting and subsequent shortening of palettes in rgba images. I got the feeling that it rather complicated the (already complex) code and would only in verrrry individual cases give some improvements (in size). Please give me your comments if you think these two parts I left out are really usefull. See you around, Willem W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gintic Institute of Manufacturing Technology, 71 Nanyang Drive, Singapore tel +65-7996246 willem@gintic.gov.sg fax +65-7916377 http://mht3.gintic.gov.sg:8000/wwwillem.html > -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Thu Aug 14 23:33:10 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11571 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:33:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id XAA11705 for png-list-outgoing; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:29:03 -0500 Received: from grommit.inria.fr (grommit.inria.fr [138.96.10.7]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id XAA11700 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 1997 23:28:58 -0500 Received: by grommit.inria.fr (8.8.6/8.8.5) id GAA18512 for png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:28:40 +0200 (MET) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 06:28:40 +0200 (MET) From: Chris Lilley Message-Id: <9708150628.ZM18510@grommit.inria.fr> In-Reply-To: Willem van Schaik "new version of pnmtopng" (Aug 15, 9:41am) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: PNG List Subject: Re: new version of pnmtopng Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Aug 15, 9:41am, Willem van Schaik wrote: > One other thing I did not include was the sorting and subsequent > shortening of palettes in rgba images. I got the feeling that it > rather complicated the (already complex) code and would only > in verrrry individual cases give some improvements (in size). > > Please give me your comments if you think these two parts I left > out are really usefull. I would say that sorting of RGBA palettes was very useful, having seen an automatically generated PNG using tRNS with 256 palette entries; the *last* one was transparent ;-) Whether you feel that you can spare the time and effort is of course your call. But if you did, I would certainlyuse the functionality. To be truly useful, this might need an RGBA .pam format and an RGBA-aware variant of ppmquant. -- Chris Lilley, W3C [ http://www.w3.org/ ] Graphics and Fonts Guy The World Wide Web Consortium http://www.w3.org/people/chris/ INRIA, Projet W3C chris@w3.org 2004 Rt des Lucioles / BP 93 +33 (0)4 93 65 79 87 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Fri Aug 15 15:03:46 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA22979 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:03:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id OAA18620 for png-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:06 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id OAA18614 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 14:45:02 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA27596; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:43:42 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 15:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: new version of pnmtopng In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Willem says > I would favour very much to > go through the effort of really creating a P7 and P8 .pam format > for rgba images. I would, too. While you're at it, please make P7 and P8 allow max-value up to 65K. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Fri Aug 15 21:13:23 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25623 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:13:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA21339 for png-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:07:10 -0500 Received: from gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg (gntcompaq.gintic.gov.sg [155.69.29.28]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id VAA21333 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:07:06 -0500 Received: by gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BCAA2C.2F392B50@gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg>; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:07:20 +0800 Message-ID: From: Willem van Schaik To: "'PNG List'" Subject: RE: new version of pnmtopng Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:02:41 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Glenn said: >Willem says >> I would favour very much to >> go through the effort of really creating a P7 and P8 .pam format >> for rgba images. > >I would, too. >While you're at it, please make P7 and P8 allow max-value up to 65K. > Please don't interpret this automatically that I would be going to do that. It's a MAJOR effort I think............but you tempted me :-) Willem -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Sat Aug 16 00:06:44 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA26458 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 00:06:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id XAA21897 for png-list-outgoing; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:45:21 -0500 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (grolsch.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.6.9]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id XAA21892 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 23:45:15 -0500 Received: from [198.162.38.159] (davem.home.cs.ubc.ca [198.162.38.159]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA18352 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:44:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: davem@mail.cs.ubc.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 15 Aug 1997 21:45:17 -0800 To: PNG List From: Dave Martindale Subject: RE: new version of pnmtopng Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List >>I would, too. >>While you're at it, please make P7 and P8 allow max-value up to 65K. >> > >Please don't interpret this automatically that I would be going to do >that. It's >a MAJOR effort I think............but you tempted me :-) It's really not very hard at all. The PBMPLUS package already supports 16-bit components in the ASCII file formats (P2, P3). All you have to do to support 9- to 16-bit components in the binary file formats is to standardize on a byte order, and add a little bit of code that knows it needs to read or write 2 bytes instead of one when maxval > 255. I did this years ago in my own local copy of the PBMPLUS (or NETPBM, I can't remember which). It works fine. Then I tried to give the changes away. I tried to send mail to the NETPBM mailing list, but either the message got bounced or nobody replied as being interested. I tried to give the changes to the local UBC systems people who maintain the "public" version of NETPBM, and nothing happened either. I guess almost nobody cares. But for anyone who *does* care, I'll happily mail you my version of the package. Note: I updated the library only, so it will now read and write files with MAXVAL up to 65535. But not all of the user-level tools - the things you invoke at shell level - support pixels that wide. Many of them only support maxval of 255 or less, even though the P2 and P3 formats (ASCII PGM and PPM) have always supported maxval 65535. I did *not* fix all these tools. Dave -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Sat Aug 16 10:45:29 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA29106 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:45:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id KAA24368 for png-list-outgoing; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:37:57 -0500 Received: from shell.wco.com (shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id KAA24363 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 10:37:53 -0500 Received: (from png@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id IAA00451 for png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu; Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 1997 08:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708161537.IAA00451@shell.wco.com> To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: RE: new version of pnmtopng From: Greg Roelofs Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Dave, > It's really not very hard at all. The PBMPLUS package already supports > 16-bit components in the ASCII file formats (P2, P3). All you have to > do to support 9- to 16-bit components in the binary file formats is to > standardize on a byte order, and add a little bit of code that knows it > needs to read or write 2 bytes instead of one when maxval > 255. Note that this eliminates the PPM_PACKCOLORS option, and I thought I noticed at least one other place in the code where 16-bit support would be a problem. Regardless, it *would* be very handy, as would a new tool to convert the byte-sex of 16-bit images... > I did this years ago in my own local copy of the PBMPLUS (or NETPBM, I > can't remember which). It works fine. Then I tried to give the changes > away. I tried to send mail to the NETPBM mailing list, but either the > message got bounced or nobody replied as being interested. There's been pretty minimal interest to my RGBA postings, although it did generate a mini-discussion on how alpha should be defined. And aside from one person who mentioned ongoing work together with Debian to update the netpbm suite (I made him promise to post a summary of said work to the list), no one else showed any interest in actually working on the tools when I asked. Apparently everyone else is just lurking. So it looks like the field is nearly wide open for others to come in and start mangling, assuming anyone really wants to commit the time. If "real" RGBA is truly desirable, I might modify what I've done appropriately; I already had to rewrite the libppm1.c and libppm3.c files, which is more than I had originally intended. (I won't commit to doing much more than that, at least for now.) > But for anyone who *does* care, I'll happily mail you my version of the > package. I'm certainly interested. I don't promise to do the integrate with the updated netpbm, but I'll let folks know about it and make it available from my web page or something. Greg -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 20 16:21:23 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22195 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:21:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id QAA10275 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:02:19 -0500 Received: from debris.com (debris.com [204.162.88.57]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id QAA10270 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 16:02:15 -0500 Received: from [204.162.88.23] by debris.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 14:01:28 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:53:28 -0700 To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu From: matthew mcglynn Subject: frustration with PNG Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Hi, everybody. I just joined this list out of frustration. I'm trying to build a gallery of PNG images, and as has been expressed here before, I just don't know how to write the HTML. But I'm trying a new approach: make a list of the HTML that is needed for each common browser, and then use JavaScript or even a CGI to serve the correct HTML. But first I need the canonical list of HTML snippets that will work for each browser/plug-in combination. BTW I've seen Greg's layered Object approach: [image of a foo] ...but it doesn't work in Navigator 3 (with PNG Live) or Communicator 4.01 (with or without PNG Live), at least not for MacOS. Here's my list so far. The MIME type is the one sent by the server; Navigator will not allow the user to choose a plug-in for MIME types different than those claimed by the plug-in (at least AFAIK), whereas the same does not seem to be true for MSIE. MacOS browsers (all used PNG Live! 1.0 plug-in): ------------------------------------------------ Navigator 2.X -> EMBED, image/x-png (image/png fails) Navigator 3.X -> EMBED, image/x-png (image/png fails) Communicator 4.01a -> EMBED, image/x-png (image/png fails) MSIE 2.1 -> EMBED, image/x-png or image/png MSIE 3.01 -> EMBED, image/x-png or image/png MSIE 4.0p1 -> EMBED, image/x-png or image/png Hmm, so I know EMBED may not be the greatest solution, but insofar as PNG Live 1.0 requires it, and using that combination with a MIME of image/x-png buys compatibility with the three most recent versions of the two most popular browsers in the world... looks like it might be a winner. Win95 & NT testing is required still, of course. Comments? -- matt. -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 20 21:39:30 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA24506 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:39:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA13855 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:25:26 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id VAA13849 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:25:21 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18505; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:23:33 -0400 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 22:23:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: frustration with PNG In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Wed, 20 Aug 1997, matthew mcglynn wrote: > Hi, everybody. I just joined this list out of frustration. > > MacOS browsers (all used PNG Live! 1.0 plug-in): > ------------------------------------------------ > Communicator 4.01a -> EMBED, image/x-png (image/png fails) =============== image/png was registered with the IANA in October 1996. There's no excuse for any recently released browser to recognize x-png but not png. > Comments? I think you are frustrated with Netscape, not with PNG. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 20 23:14:32 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25033 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:14:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id XAA15152 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:08:14 -0500 Received: from debris.com (debris.com [204.162.88.57]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id XAA15142 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:08:04 -0500 Received: from [207.33.180.125] by debris.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:07:12 -0700 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:03:51 -0700 To: PNG List From: matthew mcglynn Subject: Re: frustration with PNG Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List > > Communicator 4.01a -> EMBED, image/x-png (image/png fails) > =============== > > image/png was registered with the IANA in October 1996. There's > no excuse for any recently released browser to recognize x-png but > not png. Still I don't think it's the fault of Netscape. The PNG Live 1.0 plug-in, released September 1996, does not recognize the proper MIME type. AFAICT, MSIE allows the user to assign other MIME types to plug-ins... Navigator & Communicator do not. I know there's a 2.0 version of the plug-in that's been announced, but as of today, the ONLY solution is the one I detailed in my original post. It's not optimal, no, but it works. -- matt. -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 20 23:20:12 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA25059 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:20:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id XAA15205 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:14:20 -0500 Received: from gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg (gntcompaq.gintic.gov.sg [155.69.29.28]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id XAA15200 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 1997 23:14:15 -0500 Received: by gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BCAE2B.BEF53920@gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg>; Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:14:17 +0800 Message-ID: From: Willem van Schaik To: "'PNG List'" Subject: RE: frustration with PNG Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 12:11:56 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Glenn wrote: >> Comments? > >I think you are frustrated with Netscape, not with PNG. But maybe there is good news in the pipeline. Last couple of days I see many hits by Netscape of the PngSuite test-set. Let's hope for an tag based Netscape version. Willem -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Sat Aug 23 12:18:36 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA29647 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:18:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id MAA02011 for png-list-outgoing; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:10:41 -0500 Received: from mail.coffeenet.net (mail.coffeenet.NET [140.174.70.58]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id MAA02006 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:10:38 -0500 Received: from sumatra.coffeenet.net (root@sumatra.coffeenet.NET [140.174.70.54]) by mail.coffeenet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA04737 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:09:36 -0700 Received: from sumatra (chrisw3@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sumatra.coffeenet.net (8.8.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA01525 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:09:34 -0700 Message-ID: <33FF194D.4FE73330@coffeenet.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:09:33 -0700 From: Chris Lilley Organization: The CoffeeNet, San Francisco X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (X11; I; Linux 2.0.27 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: Good guys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Just south of Bayshore, San Francisco, on the 7B bus route to the airport, is a large building, totally black, with UniSys in big red letters. Next to it is a big white building. In red letters, it says, simply, 'The Good Guys'. Just wish I had a camera ;-) Chris@w3.org, calling in from an internet cafe -- The CoffeeNet (R) The greatest coffee AND the world (R) 744 Harrison Street at 3rd --->>> FREE e-mail and <<<--- San Francisco, CA 94107-1235 --->>> FREE personal WEB page! <<<--- Voice/FAX: (415) 495-7447 e-mail: roastmaster@mail.coffeenet.net -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Tue Aug 26 15:18:53 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA18416 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:18:52 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id PAA13674 for png-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:11:58 -0500 Received: from debris.com (trash.debris.com [204.162.88.57]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id PAA13669 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:11:54 -0500 Received: from [204.162.88.23] by debris.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 1.2); Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:10:27 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:10:24 -0700 To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu From: matthew mcglynn Subject: Microsoft makes new image format? Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List It's a rumor, nothing more, from : According to a reader, rumors of a new Microsoft-sponsored image format, being developed under the name TruDef by Total Multimedia, abound in his corner of the industry. TruDef would support both static and animated images, an unlimited number of colors, and compression superior to either GIF or JPEG without compromising image quality as much as those two standards. The creation of a Microsoft-proprietary image format with those kinds of features would be a blow to Netscape and other Microsoft competitors in the Web browser market, especially if Microsoft does not allow licensing of the technology. Rumors has been told that Netscape is already working on a competing standard that may be superior, but with the division of incompatible image formats between the two browsers, one would most likely quash the other. Since Netscape still retains an approximate 64% share of the browser market, this could work in the corporation's favor if the battle came about at the time of the release of Windows98, which will use Microsoft's Internet Explorer as a key part of its interface. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What might this mean for PNG? The future is not clear... but it smells bad. -- matt. -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Tue Aug 26 17:23:25 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA14769 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:23:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id QAA15418 for png-list-outgoing; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:57:28 -0500 Received: from sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (sss.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id QAA15412 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:57:23 -0500 Received: from sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.sss.pgh.pa.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03332 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:56:02 -0400 (EDT) To: PNG List Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? Summary: pep talk In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 26 Aug 1997 13:10:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 17:56:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3329.872632562@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List matthew mcglynn writes: > What might this mean for PNG? The future is not clear... but it smells > bad. The world is *full* of proprietary image formats, each with its own tiny niche. I'm not particularly worried about another one ... especially if Microsoft is stupid enough to try to restrict its use via licensing. That'll just guarantee that it goes nowhere. An example that the oldtimers on this list will remember: not too long ago we were being told that PNG was a pointless exercise because Johnson-Grace's "ART" format would take over the world. Of course it turned out that ART wasn't nearly as good as J-G claimed; but then when was the last time you saw anything better-than-state-of-the-art (except advertising) out of Microsoft? I'm expecting lots of hype and a very ordinary format. Now, if they make it freely available, that might be another story... regards, tom lane organizer, Independent JPEG Group -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 20:25:48 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19922 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:25:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id UAA06754 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:18:01 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id UAA06748 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 20:17:58 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10777; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:15:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:15:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? In-Reply-To: <3329.872632562@sss.pgh.pa.us> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Tue, 26 Aug 1997, Tom Lane wrote: > but then when > was the last time you saw anything better-than-state-of-the-art (except > advertising) out of Microsoft? I installed IE4 the other day. Huge mistake. It's completely revamped my W95 desktop and gotten into things that are none of its business. for example, it alphabetizes the icons in all my folders. I put them back where I want them and next time I open the folder, they're alphabetized again. When I click on a JPEG or gif, a M$ app opens instead of my PhotoImpact viewer (I did fix that). However, it left the png/pi3 association intact. It added "Go" and "Favorites" choices at the top of every window; haven't figured out how to get rid of those yet. It also wasted a huge amount of screen real estate by making the top frame of every window wider by about 64 pixels (I also got rid of that pretty soon but don't remember how). Do I have to format my HD and reinstall everything except IE4 to get my system back under my own control? Harrumph. Glenn R-P -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 21:26:03 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20730 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:26:02 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA07176 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:08:54 -0500 Received: from raid2.fddi.phoenix.net (alpha400.phoenix.net [207.43.3.5]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id VAA07171 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:08:50 -0500 Received: from 199.3.232.2.phoenix.net (dial124.phoenix.net [205.241.121.138]) by raid2.fddi.phoenix.net (8.8.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA14981 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:19:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199708280219.VAA14981@raid2.fddi.phoenix.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tim Wegner" To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:07:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? Priority: normal References: <3329.872632562@sss.pgh.pa.us> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List Glenn wrote: > Do I have to format my HD and reinstall everything except IE4 to get my > system back under my own control? Before you kill IE4 tell us how the PNG support works!! Tim -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 21:43:37 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA20959 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:43:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA07269 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:17:49 -0500 Received: from grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (grolsch.cs.ubc.ca [142.103.6.9]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id VAA07264 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:17:46 -0500 Received: from [198.162.38.159] (davem.home.cs.ubc.ca [198.162.38.159]) by grolsch.cs.ubc.ca (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00880 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:16:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: davem@mail.cs.ubc.ca Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3329.872632562@sss.pgh.pa.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:16:12 -0800 To: PNG List From: Dave Martindale Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List I haven't successfully used Internet Explorer *3* yet on my Mac. When I first looked a while ago, IE3 only supported Power Macs. Tough luck for a 68040 user. Netscape supported both. So that's what I've been using, even though IE2 was previously my preference over Netscape because it is much smaller and faster than Netscape. More recently, I saw that IE3 now supported 680x0 Macs, so I tried again. It works for simple things, but more complex pages (probably ones using Java) cause it to hang - not just IE3, but the whole machine. So I trashed it again. Unfortunately, just installing it somehow clobbered the automatic file name mapping to file type and helper app that Fetch does under the control of Internet Config. I never *have* been able to figure out exactly how Microsoft clobbered that, or how to fix it. But it's certainly the most invasive program I've tried installing. Microsoft: forget about macro viruses, the software itself is a pathogen. Dave -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 22:11:04 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21308 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:11:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id VAA07555 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:57:14 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id VAA07550 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:57:11 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12276; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:54:43 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:54:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Dave Martindale wrote: > Unfortunately, just installing it somehow clobbered the > automatic file name mapping to file type and helper app that Fetch does > under the control of Internet Config. I never *have* been able to figure > out exactly how Microsoft clobbered that, or how to fix it. Another thing it did to me is now I can't drag a *.htm file into my ftp window... It gives me a circle-bar icon (action forbidden). No idea how to fix that. > > But it's certainly the most invasive program I've tried installing. > Microsoft: forget about macro viruses, the software itself is a pathogen. Yup. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 22:13:28 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21343 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:13:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id WAA07597 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:03:01 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id WAA07592 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:02:59 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14116; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:00:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? In-Reply-To: <199708280219.VAA14981@raid2.fddi.phoenix.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Tim Wegner wrote: > Glenn wrote: > > > Do I have to format my HD and reinstall everything except IE4 to get my > > system back under my own control? > > Before you kill IE4 tell us how the PNG support works!! > > Tim Well, it's kinda hard, looking through this red fog. Anyhow, I looked at my own home page and was gratified to see my IMG pngs (rpfamily and zack) properly displayed. Looked at the PNG home page: the penguin is displayed as a very small icon in the upper left corner of a white page, like letterhead paper. But when I picked the IE4 "edit" button, it was displayed full size (about 5 cm high), transparently in a MS Word document. The toucans looked fine, too, in the Word doc but didn't display on the web page. The "alpha test" at swrinde was displayed properly. I haven't investigated gamma and haven't seen any Adam7 images. -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 22:27:49 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21507 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:27:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id WAA07728 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:15:27 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id WAA07723 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:15:24 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18158; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:12:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:12:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: MS IE4 supports inline PNG w/o plugin Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List MicroSoft IE 4 appears to be displaying inline PNGs properly when enclosed in the IMG tag. Including ones with transparency and alpha. It also imports a web page with inline PNGs properly into a MS Word document, by hitting the EDIT button. (I thought it was going to be equivalent to VIEW SOURCE...) I'm running version 4.0 Platform Preview 4.71.1008.3 on what remains of my Windows-95 machine after installing it. -- Glenn Randers-Pehrson | | | -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 22:54:45 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA21914 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:54:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id WAA07959 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:42:27 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id WAA07954 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 22:42:24 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA26800; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:39:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:39:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: MS IE4 supports inline PNG w/o plugin In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote: > > MicroSoft IE 4 appears to be displaying inline PNGs properly > when enclosed in the IMG tag. 22 of Willem's images at the PNG home page are displayed as black squares. That would merit about a C- grade, I guess. I don't think any were supposed to be rendered as black squares. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Wed Aug 27 23:30:31 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA22336 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:30:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id XAA08342 for png-list-outgoing; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:24:22 -0500 Received: from epfl2 (epfl2.epflbalto.org [192.188.199.6]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id XAA08336 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 1997 23:24:14 -0500 Received: by epfl2 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10443; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:21:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 00:21:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson To: PNG List Subject: Re: MS IE4 supports inline PNG w/o plugin In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote: > On Wed, 27 Aug 1997, Glenn Randers-Pehrson wrote: > > > > > MicroSoft IE 4 appears to be displaying inline PNGs properly > > when enclosed in the IMG tag. > > 22 of Willem's images at the PNG home page are displayed as > black squares. That would merit about a C- grade, I guess. > I don't think any were supposed to be rendered as black squares. I also tried hitting the "EDIT" button, and all of the images look ok in the MS-Word window. No black squares. Using the MS-Word 97 component of Office 97. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Thu Aug 28 02:24:29 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA24676 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:24:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id CAA10206 for png-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:23:25 -0500 Received: from jabba.ivab.se (jabba.ivab.se [193.180.173.30]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id CAA10201 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 02:23:21 -0500 Received: from arnold.image.ivab.se (arnold.image.ivab.se [193.180.173.119]) by jabba.ivab.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA24073 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:22:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from fl-pc.image.ivab.se by arnold.image.ivab.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/16Nov95-0104AM) id AA08323; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:21:52 +0200 Message-Id: <9708280721.AA08323@arnold.image.ivab.se> From: "Fredrik Lundh" To: "PNG List" Subject: Re: Microsoft makes new image format? Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:29:56 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1008.3 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.1008.3 Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List >But it's certainly the most invasive program I've tried installing. >Microsoft: forget about macro viruses, the software itself is a pathogen. On the other hand, when I installed preview 2, it asked me if I wanted it to mess up the desktop or not. I chose not to, and got an excellent mail/news reader, a great browser, and a decent HTML editor, and the rest of my machine was left unharmed... I suppose that if you do a full install, you get "Windows 97 1/2" installed too... Cheers /F -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Thu Aug 28 14:15:36 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA09797 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:15:35 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id NAA16751 for png-list-outgoing; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:25:22 -0500 Received: from shell.wco.com (shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id NAA16745 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:25:19 -0500 Received: (from png@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id LAA24778 for png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu; Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 11:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708281823.LAA24778@shell.wco.com> To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: Re: MS IE4 supports inline PNG w/o plugin From: Greg Roelofs Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List > MicroSoft IE 4 appears to be displaying inline PNGs properly > when enclosed in the IMG tag. ...unless they're surrounded by OBJECT, which is the case for most of the PNGs on my pages. The MS guys are supposedly aware of this bug and may even fix it before release, but I haven't heard anything further. Netscape has the opposite bug: if it doesn't have a plug-in to deal with the OBJECT, it barfs even if the interior IMG is a JPEG or GIF. You wouldn't think it would be that hard to write working OBJECT code... -- Greg Roelofs newt@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~newt/ Newtware, Info-ZIP, PNG Group, U Chicago, Philips Research, ... -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Fri Aug 29 16:06:24 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08779 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 16:06:24 -0500 (CDT) From: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id PAA06963 for png-list-outgoing; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 15:41:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199708292041.PAA06963@dworkin.wustl.edu> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:52:14 -0500 To: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: BOUNCE png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu: Admin request Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List From owner-png@dworkin.wustl.edu Fri Aug 29 11:52:11 1997 Received: from shell.wco.com (shell.wco.com [199.4.94.16]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with ESMTP id LAA03728 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 11:52:06 -0500 Received: (from png@localhost) by shell.wco.com (8.8.5/8.8.5/WCO-18jul97) id JAA12070 for png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu; Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:50:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199708291650.JAA12070@shell.wco.com> To: png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Subject: Mac Internet Config fix From: Greg Roelofs If there are still Mac-PNG folks lurking about, who also use Internet Config, and who also like to live on the bleeding edge of beta software, here's a message from IC's author, Quinn: > I've just updated the master database for the next build of 1.4 (something > post 1.4b4). Please watch for IC releases and let me know if it's still > broken. (The problem was the use of the bogus file type "PNG " instead of the registered "PNGf". Dunno why *I* had to report the bug...) 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See all details at: http://mlm1.com/admax/source/ (If the site is busy, keep trying!) -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu From owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Sun Aug 31 06:09:22 1997 Received: from dworkin.wustl.edu (dworkin.wustl.edu [128.252.169.2]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA29823 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:09:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) id GAA25711 for png-list-outgoing; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:01:06 -0500 Received: from gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg (gntcompaq.gintic.gov.sg [155.69.29.28]) by dworkin.wustl.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6.yuck) with SMTP id GAA25706 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 06:01:02 -0500 Received: by gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BCB640.05459660@gntcompaq.gintic.ntu.ac.sg>; Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:59:34 +0800 Message-ID: From: Willem van Schaik To: "'PNG List'" Subject: RE: MS IE4 supports inline PNG w/o plugin Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 18:44:23 +0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-png-list@dworkin.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: PNG List >> MicroSoft IE 4 appears to be displaying inline PNGs properly >> when enclosed in the IMG tag. > >22 of Willem's images at the PNG home page are displayed as >black squares. That would merit about a C- grade, I guess. >I don't think any were supposed to be rendered as black squares. That's right. Only a few images on my "corrupted PNG" page should be black (or whatever). Willem > >W i l l e m v a n S c h a i k >--------------------------------------------------------- >Gintic - Singapore willem@gintic.gov.sg > > -- Send the message body "help" to png-list-request@dworkin.wustl.edu