From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Sat Aug 10 11:35:28 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19915 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:35:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7AGZRo27808 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:35:27 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7AGZPd12599 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:35:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7AGXv920122; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:33:57 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from hermes.med-web.com (mail.med-web.com [65.174.21.12]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7AGXuO20118 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:33:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.com ([207.2.113.97]) by hermes.med-web.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7AGXWl20000 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:33:34 -0500 Message-ID: <3D55407C.F6F21816@pobox.com> Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 11:34:04 -0500 From: Jason Summers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu" Subject: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Having only recently acquired sufficient knowledge to do this, I've ported my MNG plug-in for Windows web browsers to ActiveX. See http://entropymine.com/jason/mng4ie/ for details. -- Jason Summers jason1@pobox.com http://entropymine.com/jason/ -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Sat Aug 10 18:25:22 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA22384 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:25:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7ANPLo17284 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:25:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7ANPJd24171 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:25:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7ANOog21666; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:24:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7ANOnO21662 for ; Sat, 10 Aug 2002 18:24:49 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gerard32 (213-84-79-234.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.79.234]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g7ANOmmf085591 for ; Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:24:49 +0200 (CEST) From: "Gerard Juyn" Organization: Triple-T To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 01:25:47 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE Message-ID: <3D55BD1B.20584.262E871A@localhost> In-reply-to: <3D55407C.F6F21816@pobox.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu > Having only recently acquired sufficient knowledge to do this, I've > ported my MNG plug-in for Windows web browsers to ActiveX. See > http://entropymine.com/jason/mng4ie/ for details. WOW!!! Thanks mate. You've done it again. Works like a charm. You just made my day.... errrr.... night... :) Gerard -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Fri Aug 16 02:04:43 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA08338 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7G74fo13461 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:04:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7G74dd11463 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:04:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7G72nG00854; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:02:49 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7G72mO00850 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 02:02:48 -0500 (CDT) Disposition-notification-to: erinloy@pacbell.net Received: from emlbdmj8evdifo ([63.194.81.196]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0H0X00MZ6CWNMP@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 00:02:38 -0700 From: Erin Loy Subject: [mng-list] MNG lib compile error To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tLPBX3KRAhQgwb5tYbLb+g)" Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_tLPBX3KRAhQgwb5tYbLb+g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi, I'm very new to MNG, and my intention is to use libmng first to load PNG images, then later expand to more advanced concepts, like animation. I figure that if one library can do both formats, then there's no point using both libpng and libmng, when size is a factor in my app. Can someone please confirm (or deny) that this is a reasonable expectation? Also, I'm having compile issues with libmng under both MSVC 6 and 7. The file jpegsrc6b\jpeglib.h croaks first on a line like "JMETHOD(void, error_exit, (j_common_ptr cinfo));", and then generates hundreds of similar errors on lines containing "JMETHOD". I have other graphics libraries that compile fine with the JPEG code. Is anyone else having this problem? Thanks, Erin Loy --Boundary_(ID_tLPBX3KRAhQgwb5tYbLb+g) Content-type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi,

 

I’m very new to MNG, and my intention is to use libmng first to load PNG images, then later expand to more advanced concepts, like animation.  I figure that if one library can do both formats, then there’s no point using both libpng and libmng, when size is a factor in my app.  Can someone please confirm (or deny) that this is a reasonable expectation?

 

Also, I’m having compile issues with libmng under both MSVC 6 and 7.  The file jpegsrc6b\jpeglib.h croaks first on a line like “JMETHOD(void, error_exit, (j_common_ptr cinfo));”, and then generates hundreds of similar errors on lines containing “JMETHOD”.  I have other graphics libraries that compile fine with the JPEG code.  Is anyone else having this problem?

 

Thanks,

Erin Loy

 

 

--Boundary_(ID_tLPBX3KRAhQgwb5tYbLb+g)-- -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Fri Aug 16 03:55:01 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09306 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7G8t0o24918 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:55:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7G8sxd15446 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:54:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7G8sdF01017; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:54:39 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7G8scO01013 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 03:54:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gerard32 (213-84-79-234.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.79.234]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g7G8sb3i002692 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:54:38 +0200 (CEST) From: "Gerard Juyn" Organization: Triple-T To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 10:54:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG lib compile error Message-ID: <3D5CD9ED.5084.3C7569@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu > I'm very new to MNG, and my intention is to use libmng first to load PNG > images, then later expand to more advanced concepts, like animation. I > figure that if one library can do both formats, then there's no point > using both libpng and libmng, when size is a factor in my app. Can > someone please confirm (or deny) that this is a reasonable expectation? You should have no problems using libmng with PNG images. > Also, I'm having compile issues with libmng under both MSVC 6 and 7. The > file jpegsrc6b\jpeglib.h croaks first on a line like "JMETHOD(void, > error_exit, (j_common_ptr cinfo));", and then generates hundreds of > similar errors on lines containing "JMETHOD". I have other graphics > libraries that compile fine with the JPEG code. Is anyone else having > this problem? What version of the sourcecode of libmng and ijgsrc6b are you using? Somewhere in april 2001 I changed jmorecfg.h slightly to accomodate exporting the jpeg-functions from the standard libmng.dll. Some functions in libmng_jpeg.c were altered too, to match the corresponding declaration in ijgsrc. Sometime later people reported problems compiling with MSVC. It turned out they weren't using the ijgsrc supplied with libmng, but a stock version. This would break because the calling conventions between libmng and ijgsrc were now different. So with libmng 1.0.4 I changed libmng to default calling conventions, except when compiled with Borland C++ (to still allow the exported jpeg-funcs from libmng.dll). My guess now is that you have the ijgsrc supplied with libmng which contains the modified jmorecfg.h. So when compiling with MSVC it'll get worked up about the changes intended for Borland C++ (eg. __declspec(dllexport) ). For the moment I suggest you download the original ijgsrc6b and remove the libmng copy of it (or just swap jmorecfg.h). I'd really like this to work with a stock-copy of ijgsrc. I'll see if I can figure out another way yet again. I happen to be working on libmng at the moment anyway. So far I've finished complete support for PROM and am now testing all delta-image variations with mismatched colortypes/bitdepths and 7 delta-methods. Jolly good fun.... Gerard -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Fri Aug 16 17:52:29 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22865 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:52:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7GMqRo11811 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:52:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7GMqPd06428 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:52:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7GMq0t03898; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:52:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7GMpxO03894 for ; Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:51:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gerard32 (213-84-79-234.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.79.234]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g7GMpw9k005674 for ; Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:59 +0200 (CEST) From: "Gerard Juyn" Organization: Triple-T To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 00:51:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [mng-list] JASC AS and its MNG debacle Message-ID: <3D5D9E2E.13678.334E17E@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Hi folks, I've been doing osme work on libmng lately, and, after being notified by an observant fellow enthousiast, removed a little hack I had introduced for an error in earlier eMNGma versions. The hack was to circumvent situations where a TERM chunk did not immediately follow the MHDR or was sandwiched between a SAVE/SEEK. No problem so far. Just some very old MNGs will now report an error. Then again today I got a message about something completely different. Namely the fact that MNGs created with JASC AS and having transparency info don't show properly inside a 'libmng' based viewer. Of course it's a bug in the JASC implementation. But looking over the MNG I also found the TERM chunk floating in the middle of some other chunks, and as mentioned, that's a violation of the spec. In retrospect. If the new version of libmng gets implemented, every MNG created with AS will break on libmng viewers. And I don't plan to re-introduce the hack. It's about time they get their act together. Gerard -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Sun Aug 25 03:39:22 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08779 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:39:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7P8dLo12355 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:39:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7P8dJd05658 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:39:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7P8b9A10537; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:37:09 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.138]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7P8b5O10533 for ; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 03:37:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gerard32 (213-84-79-234.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.79.234]) by smtpzilla2.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g7P8b4gm020720; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:37:04 +0200 (CEST) From: "Gerard Juyn" Organization: Triple-T To: Shafique Shaikh Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:37:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [mng-list] Re: Congratus; bmp to mng conversion CC: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Message-ID: <3D68B34F.8143.500D765@localhost> In-reply-to: <20020822011327.3233.qmail@web40409.mail.yahoo.com> References: <3D426D23.6598.4264B2C@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Shafique, I'm too unfamiliar with MSVC to give any useful advice on this. I'm cc'ing the mng-list, where there are quite a few knowledgeable people with MSVC experience. One thing I know for sure is that the libmng.lib files in the libmng distro are only usable for Borland C++ Builder. They will definitely clash with MSVC. Also, you won't need JPEG support (unless you intend to write JNG) in your write app. There's a small difference between the stock ijgsrc6b and the one supplied with the libmng distro. So to avoid problems in that area I'd suggest to include the MNG_SKIP_IJG6B conditional. That way you don't need to include any of the jpeg headers. And as you are using the libmng.dll, make sure to define MNG_USE_DLL also! Gerard (folks, if you respond, please cc to Shafique as well; I don't think he's a list- member) > I am developing console project in VC6 under windows > OS. > > In the downloaded files I found two libmng.lib files > where one is about 16 KB and the other is 64 KB long. > Which one should I use? > > While using boggus.cpp example the compiler asked to > include following header files. > > (1) jconfig.h > (2) jmorecfg.h > (3) jpeglib.h > (4) libmng.h > (5) libmng_types.h > (6) zconf.h > > I have linked the following lib files using > project--setting--link dialogue. > > (1) libmng.dll (2) libmng.lib (3) zlib.lib > > After including all these files I received about 63 > errors and 3 warnings. I am listing here two of the > errors and also giving the code lines. > > Error 1: > c:\shafique_h\myprogh\mymngprog\mypng2mngprog\jpeglib.h(646) > : error C2059: syntax error : '(' > > Error 2: > c:\shafique_h\myprogh\mymngprog\mypng2mngprog\jpeglib.h(646) > : error C2238: unexpected token(s) preceding ';' > > at following code lines: > > struct jpeg_error_mgr > { > // Error exit handler: does not return to caller // > JMETHOD(void, error_exit, (j_common_ptr cinfo)); > ........... > > > Please help me. > > Shafique. -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tue Aug 27 10:25:47 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08609 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:25:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7RFPjf10681 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:25:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7RFPhq08851 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:25:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7RFO2K20129; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:24:02 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7RFO1O20125 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:24:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 9941 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from tempest.sonic.net (208.201.224.25) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 15:24:01 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.242.18]) by tempest.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g7RFO0p26666; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:24:00 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: from newbolt.sonic.net (IDENT:roelofs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7RFO0dK027750; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:24:00 -0700 Received: (from roelofs@localhost) by newbolt.sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g7RFO0PH027749; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:24:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 08:24:00 -0700 Message-Id: <200208271524.g7RFO0PH027749@newbolt.sonic.net> From: Greg Roelofs To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Jason, > Having only recently acquired sufficient knowledge to do this, I've ported > my MNG plug-in for Windows web browsers to ActiveX. See > http://entropymine.com/jason/mng4ie/ for details. Note that the README should not be encouraging developers to add an unregistered MIME type (video/mng), and "video/x-jng" is invalid. Greg -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tue Aug 27 10:52:01 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA09132 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:52:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7RFq0f15578 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:52:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7RFpwq11178 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7RFptj20289; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:55 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RFpsO20285 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 10:51:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from comcast.net (trap.arl.army.mil [128.63.26.78]) by mtaout05.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with ESMTPA id <0H1I00D64EQI2M@mtaout05.icomcast.net> for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:51:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:51:54 -0400 From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Message-id: <3D6BA01A.A10CBC4E@comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; IRIX 6.5 IP22) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Accept-Language: en References: <200208271524.g7RFO0PH027749@newbolt.sonic.net> Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Greg Roelofs wrote: > > Jason, > > > Having only recently acquired sufficient knowledge to do this, I've ported > > my MNG plug-in for Windows web browsers to ActiveX. See > > http://entropymine.com/jason/mng4ie/ for details. > > Note that the README should not be encouraging developers to add an > unregistered MIME type (video/mng), and "video/x-jng" is invalid. I applied for a MIME type a couple of weeks ago but have not gotten a reply from IANA. I asked for a waiver of the RFC requirement. Hopefully the delay in response indicates that they are considering the request for waiver. If we don't get the waiver, the MIME type will be video/prs.mng. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tue Aug 27 13:33:05 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11101 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:33:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7RIX4f13907 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:33:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7RIX3q25159 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:33:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7RIWjO21225; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:32:45 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7RIWiO21221 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 13:32:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 5739 invoked from network); 27 Aug 2002 18:32:44 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 27 Aug 2002 18:32:44 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.242.18]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g7RIWiV26876 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:32:44 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: from newbolt.sonic.net (IDENT:roelofs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7RIWidK012678 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:32:44 -0700 Received: (from roelofs@localhost) by newbolt.sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g7RIWhgA012677 for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:32:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:32:43 -0700 Message-Id: <200208271832.g7RIWhgA012677@newbolt.sonic.net> From: Greg Roelofs To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Glenn wrote: > Greg Roelofs wrote: > > > > Jason, > > > > > Having only recently acquired sufficient knowledge to do this, I've ported > > > my MNG plug-in for Windows web browsers to ActiveX. See > > > http://entropymine.com/jason/mng4ie/ for details. > > > > Note that the README should not be encouraging developers to add an > > unregistered MIME type (video/mng), and "video/x-jng" is invalid. > I applied for a MIME type a couple of weeks ago but have not gotten a > reply from IANA. I asked for a waiver of the RFC requirement. That would be nice, but I'm not optimistic. They seem to be fairly AR about such things. > Hopefully the delay in response indicates that they are considering > the request for waiver. If we don't get the waiver, the MIME type > will be video/prs.mng. *If* we need a new one, it should be vnd, not prs; the personal tree is inappropriate for commercial products, and there are certainly commercial products (e.g., Netscape) that support MNG. But I would argue that any new MIME type other than video/mng itself is a very bad idea. The last thing we need is a proliferation of these things, with all the breakage that goes along with it, and video/x-mng is doing a perfectly fine job of it already. The fact that IANA chose to deprecate that form while we weren't looking is irrelevant; I don't see them revoking image/gif or image/tiff, either. (For that matter, their own RFC appears to contradict itself w.r.t. "x-"; see sections 2.1.4 and 2.3.1 of 2048.) What's the word on the ietf-types list? Greg -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tue Aug 27 18:19:23 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA14461 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7RNJMf01472 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:19:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7RNJKq19100 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:19:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7RNIwn22930; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:18:58 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from hermes.med-web.com (mail.med-web.com [65.174.21.12]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RNIvO22926 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:18:57 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pobox.com (jasontemp.med-web.com [192.168.240.123]) by hermes.med-web.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7RNIhl31390 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:18:43 -0500 Message-ID: <3D6C08CE.73F37FD5@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:18:38 -0500 From: Jason Summers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE References: <200208271524.g7RFO0PH027749@newbolt.sonic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-MailScanner: Found to be clean Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Greg Roelofs wrote: > > Note that the README should not be encouraging developers to add an > unregistered MIME type (video/mng), and "video/x-jng" is invalid. Thanks for pointing that out. "Video/x-jng" was a typo, of course (and "image/x-jng" appeared prior to it). The note about video/mng that you refer to maybe shouldn't have been there. But it wasn't intended as encouragement; I was just guarding against the possibility that if someone reads it in the future, video/mng may in fact be the correct type. The program itself does register itself to handle video/mng, which I don't really like to do, but I consider it to be the least-bad thing to do in this situation. Otherwise, if video/mng gets registered and people start using it, my program will stop working. I'll wait and see if anything happens regarding prs.mng or vnd.mng. -- Jason Summers jason1@pobox.com http://entropymine.com/jason/ -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tue Aug 27 19:16:41 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22960 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7S0Gcf06094 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7S0Gbq22137 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7S0GUL23093; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:30 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from mew.kcbbs.gen.nz (mew.kcbbs.gen.nz [202.14.102.4]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7S0GRO23089 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:16:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jarno@localhost) by mew.kcbbs.gen.nz (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19139 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:29:25 +1200 (NZST) Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:29:24 +1200 (NZST) From: Jarno van der Linden To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: [mng-list] Saving PNG images with libmng Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu I'm looking at trying to save a PNG image using libmng. The needed API seems to be there, but some of the critical functions appear to be dummies like mng_putimgdata_ihdr. Is it possible to create a PNG file with libmng, or do I have to pull in libpng? ---JvdL--- -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tue Aug 27 19:25:32 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23011 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:25:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7S0PVf06944 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:25:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7S0PTq22684 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:25:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7S0PQd23166; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:25:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7S0PPO23162 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 19:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 22096 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 00:25:24 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 00:25:24 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.242.18]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g7S0POm24081 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:25:24 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: from newbolt.sonic.net (IDENT:roelofs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7S0POdK025623 for ; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:25:24 -0700 Received: (from roelofs@localhost) by newbolt.sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g7S0PO3x025622 for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:25:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:25:24 -0700 Message-Id: <200208280025.g7S0PO3x025622@newbolt.sonic.net> From: Greg Roelofs To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Jason, > Thanks for pointing that out. "Video/x-jng" was a typo, of course (and > "image/x-jng" appeared prior to it). Yup, but unwary users might not have noticed that. > The note about video/mng that you refer to maybe shouldn't have been > there. But it wasn't intended as encouragement; I was just guarding > against the possibility that if someone reads it in the future, > video/mng may in fact be the correct type. I don't have any issue with mentioning that "video/mng may be officially registered in the future; be aware of that" or whatever. But as worded, it sounded like either video/x-mng or video/mng was considered OK, with a slight preference for the "x-" version. Again, unwary users--or Japanese users, apparently ;-) --might interpret that the wrong way. > The program itself does register itself to handle video/mng, which I > don't really like to do, but I consider it to be the least-bad thing to > do in this situation. Otherwise, if video/mng gets registered and people > start using it, my program will stop working. Yes, I think that was done also with the VRML MIME types, and it's pretty reasonable. "Be liberal in what you decode and conservative in what you encode," or words to that effect. > I'll wait and see if anything happens regarding prs.mng or vnd.mng. Yes, I'm curious, too. At first reading, it sounded like the ietf-types list was a public one, but I couldn't find any obvious subscription or archive info. So maybe it's an internal list to which external parties can post. Greg -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Wed Aug 28 03:27:51 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA26770 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:27:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7S8Rof24013 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:27:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7S8Rmq16225 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:27:48 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7S8RKN24934; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:27:20 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.141]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7S8RIO24930 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 03:27:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gerard32 (213-84-79-234.adsl.xs4all.nl [213.84.79.234]) by smtpzilla5.xs4all.nl (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g7S8RGwl075910 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:27:17 +0200 (CEST) From: "Gerard Juyn" Organization: Triple-T To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:27:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: [mng-list] Saving PNG images with libmng Message-ID: <3D6CA581.11105.CE127B8@localhost> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu > I'm looking at trying to save a PNG image using libmng. > The needed API seems to be there, but some of the critical > functions appear to be dummies like mng_putimgdata_ihdr. Yeah. I haven't filled that in yet. It's somewhere on my to-do list. But adding support for all of the MNG spec is higher up in priority though, when I find the time again. Then again I use libmng to write PNG, JNG & MNG images all the time. The only extra step your app needs to do is to pack the pixel-data. It really depends on what you wish to achieve. Are you encoding 24-bit pixels to indexed-8 or rgb-24? ; are there alpha-channels involved or just simple transparency or none at all? ; use interlacing yes/no? ; use filtering yes/no? ; some other scheme?.... A fair understanding of the spec is required here. But if you're looking for the quickest solution then your best bet would be to include libpng, as that already offers all of the necessary encoding and more. Gerard -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Wed Aug 28 09:29:15 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29735 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:29:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7SETCf01128 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:29:12 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7SETAq06508 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:29:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7SESfr25779; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:28:41 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7SESeO25775 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:28:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 31601 invoked from network); 28 Aug 2002 14:28:39 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 28 Aug 2002 14:28:39 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.242.18]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g7SESdO11972 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:28:39 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: from newbolt.sonic.net (IDENT:roelofs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7SESddK027584 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:28:39 -0700 Received: (from roelofs@localhost) by newbolt.sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g7SESdpo027583 for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 07:28:39 -0700 Received: from sss.pgh.pa.us ([192.204.191.242]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7S6FdO24645 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 01:15:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sss2.sss.pgh.pa.us (tgl@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sss.pgh.pa.us (8.12.5/8.12.5) with ESMTP id g7S6FYZM018380 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:15:34 -0400 (EDT) To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE In-reply-to: <200208280025.g7S0PO3x025622@newbolt.sonic.net> References: <200208280025.g7S0PO3x025622@newbolt.sonic.net> Comments: In-reply-to Greg Roelofs message dated "Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:25:24 -0700" Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 02:15:33 -0400 Message-ID: <18379.1030515333@sss.pgh.pa.us> From: Tom Lane Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Greg Roelofs writes: > Yes, I'm curious, too. At first reading, it sounded like the ietf-types > list was a public one, but I couldn't find any obvious subscription or > archive info. So maybe it's an internal list to which external parties > can post. ietf-types ignored subscription requests back in 1995 when I tried to subscribe; I dunno if they've gotten any better, but they certainly appeared to be a complete black hole back then. FWIW, my archive entries from the period, concerning whether progressive JPEG needed a new MIME type, can be boiled down to the observation that ietf-types is an unresponsive, uncooperative bunch with a completely broken registration process. Certainly they managed to escape having anything to do with the ultimate decisions about progressive JPEG, despite my attempts to solicit their input. Chris Lilley was a member at the time, you might ping him to see if anything has improved. regards, tom lane -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Wed Aug 28 22:43:01 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08197 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:43:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7T3h0f02928 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:43:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7T3gwq06971 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:42:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7T3g6806981; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:42:06 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from a.smtp-out.sonic.net (a.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.38]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7T3g5O06977 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:42:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 3253 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from sub.sonic.net (208.201.224.8) by a.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 03:42:04 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.242.18]) by sub.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g7T3g4D09746 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:42:04 -0700 Received: from newbolt.sonic.net (IDENT:roelofs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7T3g4dK018038 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:42:04 -0700 Received: (from roelofs@localhost) by newbolt.sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g7T3g4JG018037 for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:42:04 -0700 Received: from b.smtp-out.sonic.net (b.smtp-out.sonic.net [208.201.224.39]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with SMTP id g7T3OOO06873 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 22:24:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 16522 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2002 03:24:24 -0000 Received: from ultra.sonic.net (208.201.224.22) by b.smtp-out.sonic.net with SMTP; 29 Aug 2002 03:24:24 -0000 Received: from sonic.net (bolt [208.201.242.18]) by ultra.sonic.net (8.11.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id g7T3OOL27561; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:24:24 -0700 X-envelope-info: Received: from newbolt.sonic.net (IDENT:roelofs@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g7T3OOdK016277; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:24:24 -0700 Received: (from roelofs@localhost) by newbolt.sonic.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Submit) id g7T3ON4I016276; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:24:23 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 20:24:23 -0700 Message-Id: <200208290324.g7T3ON4I016276@newbolt.sonic.net> From: Greg Roelofs To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE Cc: chris@w3.org Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Tom wrote: > ietf-types ignored subscription requests back in 1995 when I tried to > subscribe; I dunno if they've gotten any better, but they certainly > appeared to be a complete black hole back then. Hmmm... How closely tied to ICANN are they? I thought they were more Internet Society types, but their prominent links to ICANN aren't exactly encouraging signs. > FWIW, my archive entries from the period, concerning whether progressive > JPEG needed a new MIME type, can be boiled down to the observation that > ietf-types is an unresponsive, uncooperative bunch with a completely > broken registration process. Certainly they managed to escape having > anything to do with the ultimate decisions about progressive JPEG, > despite my attempts to solicit their input. That's what I feared, but I hoped I was wrong. > Chris Lilley was a member at the time, you might ping him to see if > anything has improved. I thought he was on this list, but I guess not. Chris, any comments on the IANA registration process, particularly w.r.t. image/jng, video/mng, and IETF standards? I'm thinking we'll be stuck with the x- versions for years to come, but maybe there's a small amount of hope... Greg -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu From owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Wed Aug 28 23:12:21 2002 Received: from viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (viruswall.ccf.swri.edu [129.162.252.34]) by swrinde.nde.swri.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA08456 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by viruswall.ccf.swri.edu (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g7T4CHf04908 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:12:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ccrc.wustl.edu (dns.ccrc.wustl.edu [128.252.169.100]) by mailhub.ccf.swri.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g7T4CGq08232 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:12:16 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7T4CBE07086; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:12:11 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ccrc.wustl.edu: majordom set sender to owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu using -f Received: from smtp.comcast.net (smtp.comcast.net [24.153.64.2]) by ccrc.wustl.edu (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7T4CAO07082 for ; Wed, 28 Aug 2002 23:12:10 -0500 (CDT) Received: from glennrp (pcp037440pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net [68.33.90.6]) by mtaout04.icomcast.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 HotFix 0.8 (built May 13 2002)) with SMTP id <0H1L006I77OAOP@mtaout04.icomcast.net> for mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 00:06:49 -0400 From: Glenn Randers-Pehrson Subject: Re: [mng-list] MNG ActiveX control for MSIE In-reply-to: <200208290324.g7T3ON4I016276@newbolt.sonic.net> X-Sender: glennrp@mail.comcast.net To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Cc: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu, chris@w3.org Message-id: <3.0.6.32.20020829000649.00e9f1e0@mail.comcast.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: owner-mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: mng-list@ccrc.wustl.edu At 08:24 PM 8/28/02 -0700, Greg Roelofs wrote: >I'm thinking we'll be stuck with the >x- versions for years to come, but maybe there's a small amount of >hope... Or prs versions. They don't seem to be immensely popular; there are two image/prs.* and no video/prs.* Maybe there aren't many because they ignore the applications for them. Glenn -- Send the message body "help" to mng-list-request@ccrc.wustl.edu