From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 00:37:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA26351 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA02218 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 00:32:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: vicpylon@hotmail.com (vic) Subject: Kermit macros Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 04:13:13 GMT Organization: Internet Access Inc. NetA.Com Message-ID: <379a8e93.9577696@news.neta.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi, Is there a way to have kermit execute a series of commands on the computer it is connected to automatically. For example, can it utilize a macro to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Vic From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 09:37:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA01475 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA23797 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:15:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit macros Date: 25 Jul 1999 13:15:14 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7nf2l2$n7i$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <379a8e93.9577696@news.neta.com>, vic wrote: : Is there a way to have kermit execute a series of commands on the : computer it is connected to automatically. For example, can it utilize : a macro to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. : Yes, most of the popular Kermit versions have an entire script programming language built in that lets you do this. The script language is documented in the appropriate manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 16:37:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08655 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13193 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:21:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Tommy Martin" Subject: Re: How can I set the date and time Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 16:14:39 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On K95 version 1.15 someone must after a RUN. Is there a switch I can send with the run so my script will continue without a body a the keyboard. Or another method of setting the clock. Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <7ncbau$gap$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article , >Tommy Martin wrote: >: I have a K95 script that dials and logs into an RS6000. It then starts >: Kermit Version 6 in server mode. Then it transfers a couple files both >: ways. I would like to set the date and time on the PC to the same as the >: RS6000 without any extra key strokes. > >REMOTE QUERY KERMIT time >RUN TIME \v(query) From news@columbia.edu Sun Jul 25 23:37:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22870 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA00801 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:09:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <379BD1A1.2369B0A4@hastdeer.com.au> From: Rob Irvine Organization: Hastings Deering Subject: Re: default file destination after a reconnection. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 13:10:26 +1000 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thank you for your prompt reply, I will look at your suggestions. I have found that by doing "set receive pathnames on" on the server PC, any failed transmits, when they are eventually successful (usually because the warehouse PC has been switched off and the on again), will correctly send the first file to the right directory. Possibly the default used to be "on" (I have noticed that with some other defaults e.g. exit warning). Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <379288D1.6A692568@hastdeer.com.au>, > Rob Irvine wrote: > : We use kermit to send files from a Sun Sparc 7 Unix kermit (6.0.192) > : client to a Win95 Kermit 95 (1.1.17) server using the following 2 > : scripts. This all works just fine with the Server PC being in a > : warehouse. My problem occurs if the PC is stopped for some reason and > : the Unix client initiates the following script while it is stopped. It > : waits till the PC is brought up, but sends the first file to the default > : c:\k95 directory instead of c:\scar\host. I have tried putting the whole > : pathname\filename in the send line , but this doesn't make any > : difference. The second file is transmitted correctly. As I have at > : least 2 applications using the server I cannot use a server-side default > : directory but need the file to go where I want it even if there has > : been an interrupted transmission. > : > : I have tried setting timeout to 0 but the client just goes to sleep and > : never awakes and there doesn't seem to be any option to set retry to > : forever (the limit is 999). > : > Timeout 0 means no timeout. Retries refer to retransmission of corrupted > packets. If you have to retransmit the same packet 1000 times, you probably > don't have a usable connection. > > If you are trying to catch the situation in which the PC's modem answers > the phone but the PC is not running, a better approach is something like > this: > > while true { ; Loop forever > dial ; Dial the PC's number > xif fail { ; No answer > pause 60 ; Wait a minute > continue ; and try again > } > set retry 2 ; Call was answered > for \%i 1 10 1 { ; See if the server is there > remote pwd ; This command has a short answer > if success goto haveserver ; Got an answer > pause 60 ; No answer - keep trying > } > hangup ; Still no answer - hang up > } ; and redial > > :haveserver > ... > > : Unix script > : > ; ( bnestt is a terminal server on our lan, with the PC connected to port 15) > ; > : set net tcp > : set host bnestt 2015 > : set command bytesize 8 > : set terminal bytesize 8 > : set parity none > : set duplex full > : fast > : set flow-control xon > : set handshake none > : set exit warning off > : remote cd c:/scar/host > : > if fail stop 1 REMOTE CD c:/scar/host failed > > : send /usr/hd/vca/hdkrdn2686 C649745.PK2 > : if failure goto :noupload1 > : remote cd c:/bcar/host > : > if fail stop 1 REMOTE CD c:/bcar/host failed > > : send /usr/hd/vca/hdkrdn3686 C649745.DA2 > : if failure goto :noupload2 > : :quit > : quit > : :noupload1 > : echo ERROR NO UPLOAD 1 > : goto :quit > : :noupload2 > : echo ERROR NO UPLOAD 2 > : goto :quit > : > Just use STOP 1 for all this - it does the same thing in one statement. > > : Win95 script > : > : ; FILE K95CUSTOM.INI -- Kermit 95 Customizations > : assign \%a com1 > : set line \%a > : > if fail stop 1 can't open port \%1 > > : set speed 9600 > : set parity none > : :ok > : set duplex full > : set carrier-watch off > : set handshake none > : set flow-control xon > : set terminal bytesize 8 > : set file display serial > : set file collision overwrite > : enable delete > : fast > : log transactions > : show version > : show comm > : server > : End ; of K95CUSTOM.INI > > Why not use an ANSWER command to have K95 wait for the phone call to > come in? Something like: > > while true { > answer > xif fail { > hangup > continue > } > server > } > > The script looks OK. I've suggested some changes for simplicity, robustness, > and error-catching. > > I don't see anything that would explain the problem you have described except > perhaps the possibility that c:/bcar/host exists on your PC, but c:/scar/host > does not. That's the most obvious explanation for why the first file goes in > the wrong place and the second one goes in the right place. > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 26 00:07:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA25364 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA02451 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 25 Jul 1999 23:40:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: bks Subject: Did I can get detail protocol? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:40:50 +0800 Organization: GCNet(Reach and Range Inc.) Message-ID: <379BD8C2.8386992@ms3.url.com.tw> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi Does anyone know where to get the detail kermit protocol ? I mean the document must detail descibe packet structure, funcion, exchange sequence etc. Not just how to use these software. I am working on an project & must integreted this protocol as part of my system. Thanks. From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 26 00:37:20 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA29351 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA04778 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:14:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: How can I set the date and time Date: 26 Jul 1999 04:14:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ngnb0$4l7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Tommy Martin wrote: : : On K95 version 1.15 someone must : : after a RUN. : : Is there a switch I can send with the run so my script will continue : without a body a the keyboard. Or another method of setting the clock. When the command is used in a script or macro the prompt is not issued. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 26 09:37:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00221 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18417 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:08:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Did I can get detail protocol? Date: 26 Jul 1999 13:08:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7nhmkv$hvf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <379BD8C2.8386992@ms3.url.com.tw>, bks wrote: : Does anyone know where to get the detail kermit protocol ? : I mean the document must detail descibe packet structure, : funcion, exchange sequence etc. Not just how to use these : software. I am working on an project & must integreted : this protocol as part of my system. : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html But usually there is no need to write a Kermit protocol implementation from scratch, since Kermit software is already available for most platforms. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Jul 26 23:37:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA22988 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA00866 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: vicpylon@hotmail.com (vic) Subject: Kermit and Linux Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 03:08:17 GMT Organization: Internet Access Inc. NetA.Com Message-ID: <379d2221.6532747@news.neta.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello Again, I have another question. If I dial into a remote computer, is there a way for Kermit to execute a series of Linux batch files that are on the local machine, but not on the remote machine? I am trying to automate a series of tasks at my office that I must do every day at the office. Any help or links would be greatly appreciated. Vic From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 27 07:07:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA11406 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA20355 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 06:55:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: drhodes@deakin.edu.au Subject: Flow control ??? Message-ID: <379d8dad.1654463@news.deakin.edu.au> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:45:19 GMT Organization: Deakin University, Victoria, Australia To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am having a problem between a Linux 2.0.1 server and a 2400 baud modem. In kermit I am setting the port speed to 2400 and setting the handshaking to the required xon/xoff (which the dial up server requires). Also parity is set to none. I then dial out using the standard ATDT commands. The modem connects and echos the CONNECT back to the terminal, but immediately after this garbage is printed. Can any-one suggest something I may be doing wrong? Do I have to program the modem to use xon/xoff or is this done when using the set handshaking on command. Any suggestions will be helpful Thanks in advance David Rhodes From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 27 09:37:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03266 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27806 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:30:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit and Linux Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:30:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7nkc9q$r4r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <379d2221.6532747@news.neta.com>, vic wrote: : I have another question. If I dial into a remote computer, is there a : way for Kermit to execute a series of Linux batch files that are on : the local machine, but not on the remote machine? I am trying to : automate a series of tasks at my office that I must do every day at : the office. Any help or links would be greatly appreciated. : You mean, you have a connection from A to B, and you want B to execute some shell scripts that are on A? The straightforward method would be (assuming you have used Kermit on A to make the connection to B): 1. Start Kermit on B, put it in server mode. 2. Send the shell script files from A to B. Then give "remote host" commands to Kermit A to tell it to tell the Kermit server on B to tell B's shell to execute each script. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 27 09:37:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03269 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28286 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:37:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Flow control ??? Date: 27 Jul 1999 13:37:21 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7nkcmh$rjr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <379d8dad.1654463@news.deakin.edu.au>, wrote: : I am having a problem between a Linux 2.0.1 server and a 2400 baud : modem. In kermit I am setting the port speed to 2400 and setting the : handshaking to the required xon/xoff (which the dial up server : requires). Also parity is set to none. : : I then dial out using the standard ATDT commands. : : The modem connects and echos the CONNECT back to the terminal, but : immediately after this garbage is printed. : Because you didn't get a 2400 bps connection. Probably the full message was CONNECT 1200. Immediately after printing this message, the modem changed its interface speed to 1200. : Can any-one suggest something I may be doing wrong? Do I have to : program the modem to use xon/xoff or is this done when using the set : handshaking on command. : Use C-Kermit's DIAL command instead of sending AT commands to the modem. The DIAL command handles this situation automatically: set modem type hayes-2400 ; Tell Kermit what kind of modem you have set line /dev/cua ; Specify the device set speed 2400 ; Specify the speed set dial display on ; Watch the Kermit/Modem dialog dial 7654321 ; (replace with actual number) The DIAL command is discussed in Chapter 5 of "Using C-Kermit". Find current releases of C-Kermit at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ as well as information about manuals, script samples, etc. And if, by chance, you are trying to send a page, please see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/pagers.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Jul 27 11:37:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05663 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA03103 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:13:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dold@13.usenet.us.com Subject: Re: Flow control ??? Date: 27 Jul 1999 14:46:26 GMT Organization: a2i network Message-ID: <7nkgo2$rmn$1@samba.rahul.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu drhodes@deakin.edu.au wrote: : I am having a problem between a Linux 2.0.1 server and a 2400 baud : modem. In kermit I am setting the port speed to 2400 and setting the : handshaking to the required xon/xoff (which the dial up server : requires). Also parity is set to none. At 2400 baud, most newer modems will do MNP error correction. If the system that you are dialing into is a "straight" 2400, the two won't talk, and the protocol negotiation for MNP was poor. You might need to turn off the MNP feature in your modem explicitly. An indicator that this is the problem might be to try a 1200 baud connection, where MNP isn't available. If it works, then MNP is a likely problem. If it doesn't work, it could be that the other end won't work at 1200 anyway. -- --- Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net - Pope Valley & Napa CA. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 28 13:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12672 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08222 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:20:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: purvence@my-deja.com Subject: About RFC ? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 17:14:47 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7nndpv$5mi$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I really want to know about "RFC". RFCs are the documents of the definition of the protocols and policies of the Internet,aren't they? Who define the RFCs? And I want to know how i can see the RFCs. Thank you. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Wed Jul 28 13:37:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12676 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA08612 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:29:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: About RFC ? Date: 28 Jul 1999 17:29:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7nnelr$8d1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7nndpv$5mi$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : I really want to know about "RFC". : RFCs are the documents of the definition of the protocols and policies : of the Internet,aren't they? : Who define the RFCs? : And I want to know how i can see the RFCs. : Visit these sites: http://www.ietf.org http://www.rfc-editor.org/ - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 30 13:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27518 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA15577 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:18:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "B.Won" Subject: 'send' doesn't work. Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:01:18 -0600 Message-ID: <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com> Organization: CADVision Development Corporation (http://www.cadvision.com/) To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment. The connection go thru a terminal server. >From the host side, to connect I type in the following: $ kermit set line tta0 connect at atdt###### (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha) at the remote alpha, I entered the following: $ mc kermit server (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...) (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host) at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing happens... Does anyone know why? Is there some settings not properly set? My kermit knowledge is limited. thanks. From news@columbia.edu Fri Jul 30 13:37:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA27520 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16186 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:29:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work. Date: 30 Jul 1999 13:29:35 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: : I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment. The : connection go thru a terminal server. : : From the host side, to connect I type in the following: : $ kermit : Is it C-Kermit? Which version? See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html for current version info. : set line tta0 : connect : at : atdt###### : (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha) : : at the remote alpha, I entered the following: : $ mc kermit : Which Kermit program and version is this one? : server : (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...) : (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host) : : at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing : happens... : So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt. Did you give a "receive" command? : Does anyone know why? Is there some settings not properly set? : My kermit knowledge is limited. : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html To find out how to get documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 3 13:46:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00696 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA04368 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:35:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "B.Won" Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:32:58 -0600 Message-ID: <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com> Organization: CADVision Development Corporation (http://www.cadvision.com/) To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment. The >: connection go thru a terminal server. >: >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following: >: $ kermit >: >Is it C-Kermit? Which version? See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html > >for current version info. > ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192 >: set line tta0 >: connect >: at >: atdt###### >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha) >: >: at the remote alpha, I entered the following: >: $ mc kermit >: >Which Kermit program and version is this one? > >: server >: (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...) >: (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host) >: >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing >: happens... >: >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt. Did >you give a "receive" command? ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go the prompt back... > >: Does anyone know why? Is there some settings not properly set? >: My kermit knowledge is limited. >: >See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html > >To found out how to get documentation. > >- Frank > > > From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 3 14:16:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08402 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05103 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:48:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work. Date: 3 Aug 1999 17:48:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7o7a23$4vc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>... : >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: : >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment. The : >: connection go thru a terminal server. : >: : >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following: : >: $ kermit : >: : >Is it C-Kermit? Which version? See: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : > : >for current version info. : : ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192 : : >: set line tta0 : >: connect : >: at : >: atdt###### : >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha) : >: : >: at the remote alpha, I entered the following: : >: $ mc kermit : >: : >Which Kermit program and version is this one? : > : >: server : >: (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...) : >: (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host) : >: : >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing : >: happens... : >: : >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt. Did : >you give a "receive" command? : : ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go the : prompt back... : Then that's why nothing happens. Follow the instructions for how to transfer files in the manual. Very briefly, after you have given the SEND command to the remote Kermit program, type Ctrl-\ (hold down the Ctrl key and press the backslash key), then the letter C. Now you have the local Kermit's prompt. Now type "receive" and then press the Enter key. : >See: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html : > : >To found out how to get documentation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 3 14:16:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08404 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA05554 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:59:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work. Date: 3 Aug 1999 17:59:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7o7alu$5df$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7o7a23$4vc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: : : Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>... : : >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>,B.Won wrote: : : >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment. The : : >: connection go thru a terminal server. : : >: : : >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following: : : >: $ kermit : : >: : : >Is it C-Kermit? Which version? See: : : > : : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html : : > : : >for current version info. : : : : ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192 : : : : >: set line tta0 : : >: connect : : >: at : : >: atdt###### : : >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha) : : >: : : >: at the remote alpha, I entered the following: : : >: $ mc kermit : : >: : : >Which Kermit program and version is this one? : : > : : >: server : : >: (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...) : : >: (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host) : : >: : : >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing : : >: happens... : : >: : : >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt. Did : : >you give a "receive" command? : : : : ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go : : the prompt back... : : : Then that's why nothing happens. Follow the instructions for how to transfer : files in the manual. Very briefly, after you have given the SEND command to : the remote Kermit program, type Ctrl-\ (hold down the Ctrl key and press the : backslash key), then the letter C. Now you have the local Kermit's prompt. : Now type "receive" and then press the Enter key. : Oops, sorry -- I didn't notice that you put the remote in server mode, so instead of "receive" you should type "get filename", where "filename" is the name of the file you want to download. The escaping back part should have been clear since when you make the connection it says: Connecting to (blah blah...) The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. and then when you put the remote in server mode, it says: Entering server mode. If your local Kermit software is menu driven, use the menus to send commands to the server. Otherwise, enter the escape sequence to return to your local Kermit prompt and issue commands from there. Use SEND and GET for file transfer. Use REMOTE HELP for a list of other available services. Use BYE or FINISH to end server mode. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 3 16:46:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23757 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA14143 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work. Date: 3 Aug 1999 20:44:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7o7kbh$dps$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37a7529c.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: : .... : But that's not what I want to do.. I wanted to send a file over to remote. : Shouldn't I 'escaped back' to my local kermit, and type in 'send : '? : I : We don't seem to be communicating very well. Please follow the instructions in the manual, and if you find them unclear or confusing, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Similarly if you are actually operating Kermit according to instructions (which is unclear from your messages so far) but it is not working as expected. In your messages, please describe the two platforms (hardware, os, version), the version of Kermit on each, the kind of connection that you have, and the commands that you gave to each Kermit. For further details about submitting a problem report, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/support.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 3 16:46:28 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23760 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA13665 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:36:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "B.Won" Subject: Re: 'send' doesn't work. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:41:12 -0600 Message-ID: <37a7529c.0@news.cadvision.com> Organization: CADVision Development Corporation (http://www.cadvision.com/) To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7o7alu$5df$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article <7o7a23$4vc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, >Frank da Cruz wrote: >: In article <37a7282a.0@news.cadvision.com>, B.Won wrote: >: : Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7nsndv$ncc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>... >: : >In article <37a1dc7e.0@news.cadvision.com>,B.Won wrote: >: : >: I am trying to transmit a file between 2 alpha VMS environment. The >: : >: connection go thru a terminal server. >: : >: >: : >: From the host side, to connect I type in the following: >: : >: $ kermit >: : >: >: : >Is it C-Kermit? Which version? See: >: : > >: : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckermit.html >: : > >: : >for current version info. >: : >: : ==>Kermit version at both ends are the same, C-kermit 6.0.192 >: : >: : >: set line tta0 >: : >: connect >: : >: at >: : >: atdt###### >: : >: (connects to remote terminal server, logs into remote/client alpha) >: : >: >: : >: at the remote alpha, I entered the following: >: : >: $ mc kermit >: : >: >: : >Which Kermit program and version is this one? >: : > >: : >: server >: : >: (message comes up to switch to host mode to transmit, etc...) >: : >: (I entered the control combination keystrokes to switch to host) >: : >: >: : >: at host kermit, I issue a 'send' command for a text file and nothing >: : >: happens... >: : >: >: : >So you escaped back and have the originating Kermit's prompt. Did >: : >you give a "receive" command? >: : >: : ==> after I type in 'send abc.txt' at the originating Kermit, I never go >: : the prompt back... >: : >: Then that's why nothing happens. Follow the instructions for how to transfer >: files in the manual. Very briefly, after you have given the SEND command to >: the remote Kermit program, type Ctrl-\ (hold down the Ctrl key and press the >: backslash key), then the letter C. Now you have the local Kermit's prompt. >: Now type "receive" and then press the Enter key. >: >Oops, sorry -- I didn't notice that you put the remote in server mode, so >instead of "receive" you should type "get filename", where "filename" is the >name of the file you want to download. > >The escaping back part should have been clear since when you make the >connection it says: > > Connecting to (blah blah...) > The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) > Type the escape character followed by C to get back, > or followed by ? to see other options. > >and then when you put the remote in server mode, it says: > > Entering server mode. If your local Kermit software is menu driven, use > the menus to send commands to the server. Otherwise, enter the escape > sequence to return to your local Kermit prompt and issue commands from > there. Use SEND and GET for file transfer. Use REMOTE HELP for a list of > other available services. Use BYE or FINISH to end server mode. > >- Frank But that's not what I want to do.. I wanted to send a file over to remote. Shouldn't I 'escaped back' to my local kermit, and type in 'send '? I From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 09:46:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29414 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21283 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:39:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ami@alt.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: Kermit95 and proxy server Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:38:32 GMT Organization: chaos Message-ID: <37a841e3.126425610@news.alt.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu How do I tell Kermit to telnet via a proxy server? As it is, sometimes I get through and sometimes I don't, and sometimes it takes longer to get a login prompt. Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@alt.net) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 10:16:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA05936 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA22843 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:12:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit95 and proxy server Date: 4 Aug 1999 14:12:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7o9hnh$m9o$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37a841e3.126425610@news.alt.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: : How do I tell Kermit to telnet via a proxy server? : : As it is, sometimes I get through and sometimes I don't, and : sometimes it takes longer to get a login prompt. : Kermit has no specific support for any brand of proxy servers. If you get through sometimes and not others it would leave me believe that your problem is not a proxy server. Either that or the proxy server should be replaced. More than likely the host is attempting to perform a Reverse DNS lookup and depending on the IP Address you are using it cannot find one, and therefore rejects you by hanging up the connection. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 11:46:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29668 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26293 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Glenn Sherman" Subject: when are variables set? Organization: Granite State Software Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:18:09 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx server. I created a shortcut with the dialer (k95dial). How can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what the name of the *.ksc file was ? or how can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what kind of connection I am using. It appears that the variable \v(connection) isn't set until after k95.ini is finished. -Glenn Sherman (reply address contains a SPAM filter) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 11:46:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29701 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26466 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:23:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Jenifer Nech" Subject: ver 7.0 C-Kermit Date: 04 Aug 1999 08:22:50 PDT Organization: Concentric Internet Services Message-ID: <7o9lsa$4du@chronicle.concentric.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu after invoking the kermit server with command: kermit -x I receive a prompt: KERMIT READY TO SERVE... Do I use Get and Send? Send seemed to work but not Get. I know this is sketchy but I feel I do not have the correct commands for this version. I am using hyperterminal, ver downloaded from their site to upgrade the version that ships with Win98. I connect to the Sun system and enter all passwords. Communication is ok except after I invoke the kermit server with kermit -x. The people at this site, Muniview, are not very helpful and I can't seem to get the communications techs to talk to me. Any help will be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 11:46:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA29705 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA26886 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:30:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ver 7.0 C-Kermit Date: 4 Aug 1999 15:30:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7o9m9p$q75$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7o9lsa$4du@chronicle.concentric.net>, Jenifer Nech wrote: : after invoking the kermit server with command: kermit -x : I receive a prompt: KERMIT READY TO SERVE... : : Do I use Get and Send? Send seemed to work but not Get. I know this is : sketchy but I feel I do not have the correct commands for this version. : : I am using hyperterminal, ver downloaded from their site to upgrade the : version that ships with Win98. : : I connect to the Sun system and enter all passwords. Communication is ok : except after I invoke the kermit server with kermit -x. : : The people at this site, Muniview, are not very helpful and I can't seem to : get the communications techs to talk to me. Any help will be appreciated. : If you want to send a file to the server, use SEND. If you want to get a file from the server use GET (and specify the filename). How to do this in Hyperterminal is another question that, presumably, the Hyperterminal documentation can help you with. For detailed information on C-Kermit, we have a manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html Of course we also have communications software for Windows that we support and can help you with: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 13:46:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA01782 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA03171 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:34:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ami@alt.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: Re: Kermit95 and proxy server Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:33:47 GMT Organization: chaos Message-ID: <37ab7948.140607162@news.alt.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On 4 Aug 1999 14:12:01 GMT, jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) wrote: >In article <37a841e3.126425610@news.alt.net>, >Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: >: How do I tell Kermit to telnet via a proxy server? >: As it is, sometimes I get through and sometimes I don't, and >: sometimes it takes longer to get a login prompt. Thanks for the quick response. >Kermit has no specific support for any brand of proxy servers. I see. I have no experience with proxy servers, but I assume this answer implies that I need to tell the proxy server to allow the telnet protocol to pass. Again, thanks for your help and quick response. I'll contact the cable modem support and ask about setting a pass-thru for telnet protocol. >If you get through sometimes and not others it would leave >me believe that your problem is not a proxy server. Either >that or the proxy server should be replaced. > >More than likely the host is attempting to perform a Reverse >DNS lookup and depending on the IP Address you are using it >cannot find one, and therefore rejects you by hanging up >the connection. Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@alt.net) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 15:46:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06943 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:46:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10123 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:45:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: when are variables set? Date: 4 Aug 1999 19:45:09 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7oa585$9s8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Glenn Sherman wrote: : I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx server. : I created a shortcut with the dialer (k95dial). : How can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what the : name of the *.ksc file was ? : : or how can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what : kind of connection I am using. It appears that the : variable \v(connection) isn't set until after k95.ini : is finished. The order of processing is k95.ini k95custom.ini dialer generated script the dialer generated script in turn loads the specified keymap script file makes the connection loads the specified login script file so if there are things that you want done for a particular connection before the connection is made, place them in the keymap file. if you want them done after the connection is made, place them in the login script file. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 15:46:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA06945 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA08441 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:17:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ami@alt.net (Ami Bar-Yadin) Subject: Re: ver 7.0 C-Kermit Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:17:03 GMT Organization: chaos Message-ID: <37ae918f.146822048@news.alt.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On 4 Aug 1999 15:30:01 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <7o9lsa$4du@chronicle.concentric.net>, >Jenifer Nech wrote: >: after invoking the kermit server with command: kermit -x >: I receive a prompt: KERMIT READY TO SERVE... >: >: Do I use Get and Send? Send seemed to work but not Get. I know this is >: sketchy but I feel I do not have the correct commands for this version. >: >: I am using hyperterminal, ver downloaded from their site to upgrade the >: version that ships with Win98. >: >: I connect to the Sun system and enter all passwords. Communication is ok >: except after I invoke the kermit server with kermit -x. >: >: The people at this site, Muniview, are not very helpful and I can't seem to >: get the communications techs to talk to me. Any help will be appreciated. >: >If you want to send a file to the server, use SEND. If you want to get a >file from the server use GET (and specify the filename). > >How to do this in Hyperterminal is another question that, presumably, the >Hyperterminal documentation can help you with. > >For detailed information on C-Kermit, we have a manual: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html Note that this is an advertisment for a book, not the manual itself. >Of course we also have communications software for Windows that we support >and can help you with: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > >- Frank Later, -- Ami Bar-Yadin (ami@alt.net) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 16:16:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13579 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA11194 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:06:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ver 7.0 C-Kermit Date: 4 Aug 1999 20:06:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7oa6fc$ato$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37ae918f.146822048@news.alt.net>, Ami Bar-Yadin wrote: : On 4 Aug 1999 15:30:01 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : >... : >For detailed information on C-Kermit, we have a manual: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html : : Note that this is an advertisment for a book, not the manual itself. : The book is the manual. Sales of the book are what pay for us to be here writing and developing C-Kermit, and for that matter, answering questions about it, many of which are answered in, yes, the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 4 16:16:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA13581 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10787 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Glenn Sherman" Subject: Re: when are variables set? Organization: Granite State Software Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:39 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote in message <7oa585$9s8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article , >Glenn Sherman wrote: >: I am using K95 to telnet to a Qnx server. >: I created a shortcut with the dialer (k95dial). >: How can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what the >: name of the *.ksc file was ? >: >: or how can I (in the k95custom.ini file) know what >: kind of connection I am using. It appears that the >: variable \v(connection) isn't set until after k95.ini >: is finished. > >The order of processing is > > k95.ini > k95custom.ini > dialer generated script > >the dialer generated script in turn > loads the specified keymap script file > makes the connection > loads the specified login script file > >so if there are things that you want done for a particular connection >before the connection is made, place them in the keymap file. I want to be able to make a decision in the k95custom.ini file. xif equal \v(SCRIPT_NAME) scriptname { Is there a variable that contains the name of the dialer generated script? >if you want them done after the connection is made, place them in >the login script file. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org Glenn Sherman (reply address contains SPAM filter) From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 5 01:46:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA26742 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA09600 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:19:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: when are variables set? Date: 5 Aug 1999 05:19:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ob6s7$9bt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Glenn Sherman wrote: : I want to be able to make a decision in the k95custom.ini file. : xif equal \v(SCRIPT_NAME) scriptname { : : Is there a variable that contains the name of the dialer generated script? There is no variable that contains the script to be executed in the future. A scriptname variable would contain the name of the script that is currently executing which would be k95custom.ini. If you know the order of the arguments on the command line then you can use the Argument Vector Array to find the script name. See Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition page 353. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 5 19:16:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07191 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA00103 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:49:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Steve Baus" Subject: Troubleshooting non standard ports Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:59:27 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I know there exists a document that talks about troubleshooting non standard ports and addresses. I just can not remember what the name of the document is. Can anyone tell me? Steve From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 6 09:46:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03510 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29854 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:38:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Troubleshooting non standard ports Date: 6 Aug 1999 13:38:44 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7oeoh4$t4q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Steve Baus wrote: : I know there exists a document that talks about troubleshooting non standard : ports and addresses. I just can not remember what the name of the document : is. Can anyone tell me? : It depends on which Kermit program and computer and operating system you have. For example, if it is a PC with DOS, the document is KERMIT.BWR, Section 6. If it is Windows 95/98/NT/2000 or UNIX or VMS, etc, then you have to resolve such things as address and IRQ conflicts at the OS level, since these operating systems isolate the hardware from application software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Aug 6 16:16:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28384 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA18343 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:48:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Steve Baus" Subject: Re: Troubleshooting non standard ports Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:12:29 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Kermit.bwr... thats it, Thanks Frank da Cruz wrote in message <7oeoh4$t4q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>... >In article , >Steve Baus wrote: >: I know there exists a document that talks about troubleshooting non standard >: ports and addresses. I just can not remember what the name of the document >: is. Can anyone tell me? >: >It depends on which Kermit program and computer and operating system you have. >For example, if it is a PC with DOS, the document is KERMIT.BWR, Section 6. > >If it is Windows 95/98/NT/2000 or UNIX or VMS, etc, then you have to resolve >such things as address and IRQ conflicts at the OS level, since these >operating systems isolate the hardware from application software. > >- Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 9 22:17:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA11992 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA06283 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 22:01:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Lawry Simm" Subject: kermit -r -a problem Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:21:28 +0100 Organization: Customer of Planet Online Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Using Kermit 5A(197)Beta for AIX 3.1 I am able to do a kermit -r -a newfile and recieve a file with a lowercase name, or kermit -r -a NEWFILE to recieve with an uppercase name. Using Kermit 6.0.192 for AIX 4.1, both commands return a file with a lowercase name. Can anyone tell me how to get it out in uppercase in a single command? Thanks Lawry Simm Technical Consultant - Lynx Heywood Limited (remove the hairy thing from my reply-to address to mail me) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 10 09:47:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29778 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA07594 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit -r -a problem Date: 10 Aug 1999 13:27:24 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7op9bs$7d7$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Lawry Simm wrote: : Using Kermit 5A(197)Beta for AIX 3.1 I am able to do a kermit -r -a newfile : and recieve a file with a lowercase name, or kermit -r -a NEWFILE to recieve : with an uppercase name. : : Using Kermit 6.0.192 for AIX 4.1, both commands return a file with a : lowercase name. Can anyone tell me how to get it out in uppercase in a : single command? : This is a bug in version 6.0, fixed in 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 11 09:47:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22601 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08453 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:30:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "quertyq@hotmail.com" Subject: Permission Denied msg with Windows Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:43 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7ort79$63o$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Good morning everyone. I am getting a "Permission Denied" message with a Kermit xfer using Windows. What am I doing wrong? I have 2 computers that have Kermit 95 version 1117 installed on them. Computer A Computer B Windows 95 PC Windows 98 PC - dial USR modem - Kermit running in server mode - when connected, do: on COM1 ( modem port ) get /tmp/file.out /tmp/file.out - hangup the connection I am writing a polling program. Computer B's code is as following: set carrier off set line com1 set baud 57600 set block 3 set send pack 256 set rec pack 256 set window 10 server Computer A dials to computer B ( both are using USR modems ) Computer A does a "get" file xfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A disconnects with the "hangup" command. The first time is successful. Computer A dials and connects to computer B. Computer A does a "get" file xfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A returns a Permission Denied message and cannot xfer the file. The value \v(xfermsg) is "Permission Denied". The file is still on Computer B, and the attributes have not changed. Computer A has the setting "SET FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE". What could I be doing to get a "permissions" message? Thanks again for all your help -- I really appreciate it. Matt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 11 09:47:19 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22606 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09102 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:44:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Permission Denied msg with Windows Date: 11 Aug 1999 13:44:51 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7oruoj$8sb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7ort79$63o$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, quertyq@hotmail.com wrote: : Good morning everyone. I am getting a "Permission Denied" message with : aKermit xfer using Windows. What am I doing wrong? I have 2 computers : thathave Kermit 95 version 1117 installed on them. Computer A Computer : B Windows 95 PC Windows 98 PC - dial USR modem - Kermit running in : servermode - when connected, do: on COM1 ( modem port ) get : /tmp/file.out/tmp/file.out... : It's a little hard to decipher your message -- spaces seem to be missing here and there. You mean: get /tmp/file.out /tmp/file.out ??? : - hangup the connection I am writing a polling : program. Computer B's code is as following: set carrier off set line com1 : setbaud 57600 set block 3 set send pack 256 set rec pack 256 set window10 : server Computer A dials to computer B ( both are using USR modems ) Computer : A does a "get" file xfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A : disconnects with the "hangup" command. The first time is successful. : Computer A dials and connects to computer B. Computer A does a "get" : filexfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A returns a Permission : Deniedmessage and cannot xfer the file. : This probably means that Windows has the file open. Windows doesn't let you delete files that are open. : The value \v(xfermsg) is : "PermissionDenied". The file is still on Computer B, and the attributes : have notchanged. Computer A has the setting "SET FILE COLLISION : OVERWRITE". Whatcould I be doing to get a "permissions" message? : Find out why the file is open and adjust your procedure so it does not try to replace open files. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 11 10:17:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29362 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09482 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:50:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "quertyq@hotmail.com" Subject: Permission Denied msg with Windows #2 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:38:30 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7oruck$724$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Good morning everyone. Sorry about the first post, the news service reformatted my posting, then denied my canceling the post. Anyway... I am getting a "Permission Denied" message with a Kermit xfer using Windows. What am I doing wrong? I have 2 computers that have Kermit 95 version 1117 installed on them. Computer A ~~~~~~~~~ Windows 95 PC - dial USR modem - when connected, do: get /tmp/file.out /tmp/file.out - hangup the connection Computer B ~~~~~~~~~ Windows 98 PC - Kermit running in server mode on COM1 ( modem port ) I am writing a polling program. Computer B's code is as following: set carrier off set line com1 set baud 57600 set block 3 set send pack 256 set rec pack 256 set window 10 server Computer A dials to computer B ( both are using USR modems ) Computer A does a "get" file xfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A disconnects with the "hangup" command. The first time is successful. Computer A dials and connects to computer B. Computer A does a "get" file xfer from Computer B to Computer A. Computer A returns a Permission Denied message and cannot xfer the file. The value \v(xfermsg) is "Permission Denied". Now both of these computers are Windows; not UNIX. Computer A has the setting "SET FILE COLLISION OVERWRITE". What could I be doing to get a "permissions" message? Thanks again for all your help. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 17 19:18:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA08739 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27360 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:50:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: stephenc@bnr.ca (Stephen) Subject: [Q]: ats7=nnn Date: 17 Aug 1999 22:47:52 GMT Organization: Richardson, TX Message-ID: <7pcoqo$gr7$1@crchh14.us.nortel.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Greetings. I'm working with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Linux, and something is telling Kermit to send ats7=nnn when I setup Kermit up to dial or for auto-answer. That's causing a problem with the modem I'm using, and I'd like to turn that off, but I can't find where that's coming from. I tried setting my own modem type from "usrobotics" and "hayes," but the ats7 string seems to be indepedent of that. Anybody got any advice? Stephen. From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 18 10:18:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA00909 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27921 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:03:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: [Q]: ats7=nnn Date: 18 Aug 1999 14:03:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7peefj$r8d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7pcoqo$gr7$1@crchh14.us.nortel.com>, Stephen wrote: : I'm working with C-Kermit 6.0.192 on Linux, and : something is telling Kermit to send ats7=nnn when : I setup Kermit up to dial or for auto-answer. : That's causing a problem with the modem I'm using, : and I'd like to turn that off, but I can't find : where that's coming from. I tried setting my own : modem type from "usrobotics" and "hayes," but : the ats7 string seems to be indepedent of that. : Anybody got any advice? : What kind of modem do you actually have? What commands did you give? Did you use the ANSWER command? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 19 15:48:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01626 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23050 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:39:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michael Hamelin" Subject: beta 6 Problem w/batch queue & USR-->USR Modem issue Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:33:22 -0400 Organization: The Internet Connection Message-ID: <7phlm8$nj0$1@bashir.ici.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu 1.) submiting a batch job into the vms queue, the displayed file information..text version of the file transfer doesn't work. get can't open tt: device ------ Beta 8 gives us... %ckermit-w-notterm tt: is not a terminal sorry can't open connecion tt:: error 0 ??? Downloaded beta 9 for vms-55 (nonet) and got an error on image activivation ??? we are running batch jobs from fully priv account...not any issue under version 5. 5 runs excellant as detailed...this failed in beta 195..not sure if corrected yet. What we are saying here is that the computer spits out TT: not an output device, where as version 5 works fine and you get to see the file being transfered (serial transfer display). This is not the case in BETA 195. NO DISPLAY is possible running from the batch queue. The same username, script and command procedure run from version 5 and beta 195, this is the issue we are now facing. Only change is the ckermit version....Saw a not about this is the release notes, not sure what it meant. Just giving you pre-post results.. 2.) USR to USR still will not make a connect in ckermit. Ckermit is still getting the data and starting the login process, instead of just making the connect. We have solved it temp. by using a zoom modem as the dialer and the usr sportsters 33.6k modems in the field (34 stores). ckermit makes a connect and then the scripts appear to be fine after that. (frank's comments) >I don't understand the complaint. What, precisely, do you mean by >"connect"? >You say "Ckermit is still getting the data and starting the login process, instead of just making the connect." You don't want it to get the data and start the login process? I can't help but suspect that it is only doing what your script is telling it to do... (us) we sent you the scripts before...will send again if needed...we found a bug in the handshaking of the login scripts for vmslogin. new stuff was added, but the computer appears not to like it, so we used the logic from version 5 and it corrected the problem on login. The issue is still the same with USR to USR. If we use the USR in the stores and the ZOOM , HAYES, Anything but USR, CKERMIT does it thing correctly. The USR Will connect ..handshake and start the login process on the vax (waking the port up), the zoom and others only handshake and wait. The modem settings on the USR are identical to the ZOOM and IDentical to the remote modem. A Manual dial with USR to USR, will never get a connect message...you will see data on the screen and the VMSLOGIN is confused and the call complete never occurs. If you substitute the ZOOM for the USR as the dialer, all is fine. We DONT CARE ANYMORE....but, Thought you might want to know..since this is in BETA. We have bought ZOOMS as the dialers to get away from the problem, BUT IT IS STILL A PROBLEM for others i am sure. Dialer is ALPHA VMS 6.2-H3, receiver is VAX VMS 5.5-2...fyi... any thoughts, comments..... From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 19 17:18:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA23496 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26982 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:55:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: beta 6 Problem w/batch queue & USR-->USR Modem issue Date: 19 Aug 1999 20:55:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7phqv5$qa3$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7phlm8$nj0$1@bashir.ici.net>, Michael Hamelin wrote: > 1.) submiting a batch job into the vms queue, the displayed file > information..text version of the file transfer doesn't work. get can't open > tt: device > Beta 8 gives us... > %ckermit-w-notterm tt: is not a terminal > sorry can't open connecion tt:: error 0 > ??? > That sounds like you're telling it to transfer a file on its controlling terminal, which is, in fact, the batch stream. If you're running Kermit in the batch, file-transfer commands won't work unless you've successfully opened some kind of connection (SET LINE, DIAL, TELNET, etc). This, in turn, suggests that a SET LINE or DIAL command that's in your script did not succeed. > Downloaded beta 9 for vms-55 (nonet) and got an error on image activivation > ??? > The system where I built it was a bit strange. By the time you get this message, I will have put a replacement there that you can try. Meanwhile, are you sure you transferred it in binary mode? > we are running batch jobs from fully priv account...not any issue under > version 5. 5 runs excellant as detailed... > Version 5 of C-Kermit? > this failed in beta 195..not sure > if corrected yet. What we are saying here is that the computer spits out > TT: not an output device, where as version 5 works fine and you get to see > the file being transfered (serial transfer display). This is not the case > in BETA 195. NO DISPLAY is possible running from the batch queue. The same > username, script and command procedure run from version 5 and beta 195, > this is the issue we are now facing. Only change is the ckermit > version....Saw a not about this is the release notes, not sure what it > meant. Just giving you pre-post results.. > Which note are you speaking of? > 2.) USR to USR still will not make a connect in ckermit. Ckermit is still > getting the data and starting the login process, instead of just making the > connect. We have solved it temp. by using a zoom modem as the dialer and > the usr sportsters 33.6k modems in the field (34 stores). ckermit makes a > connect and then the scripts appear to be fine after that. > > (frank's comments) > >I don't understand the complaint. What, precisely, do you mean by > >"connect"? You say "Ckermit is still getting the data and starting the > >login process, instead of just making the connect." You don't want it to > >get the data and start the login process? I can't help but suspect that it > >is only doing what your script is telling it to do... > > (us) > we sent you the scripts before...will send again if needed...we found a bug > in the handshaking of the login scripts for vmslogin. new stuff was added, > but the computer appears not to like it, so we used the logic from version > 5 and it corrected the problem on login. The issue is still the same with > USR to USR. If we use the USR in the stores and the ZOOM , HAYES, Anything > but USR, CKERMIT does it thing correctly. > We get a lot of mail every day so it's best to give us the whole context. Exactly what did the computer not like, and what did it like? > The USR Will connect ..handshake and start the login process on the vax > (waking the port up), the zoom and others only handshake and wait. > Maybe this will help. Before version 6.0 of C-Kermit, DIAL and CONNECT were done separately. If you gave a DIAL command, you still had to give a CONNECT command if you wanted to get an interactive online session. But this was too confusing for many people, so version 6.0 was changed so that DIAL included an automatic CONNECT, but ONLY IF the DIAL command was given at the prompt (interactively), not from a macro or a command file, That's the DEFAULT behavior in C-Kermit 6.0 and later. It can be changed with: SET DIAL CONNECT { ON, OFF, AUTO } AUTO is the default and works as I just described. OFF means "never CONNECT" automatically after successful dialing (the C-Kermit version 5 behavior), ON means "always CONNECT". Could it be that you have added a SET DIAL CONNECT of some form into your script? > The modem settings on the USR are identical to the ZOOM and IDentical to > the remote modem. A Manual dial with USR to USR, will never get a connect > message... > So a USR-to-USR call is never completed, but a USR-to-anything-else call is completed. I have several USR modems here, including one connected to a VMS system, and I dial out from them to other USR modems all the time. What's the difference? As you know, USR modems have a series of DIP switches for configuration. Maybe yours need adjustment. Maybe some kind of weird profile has been set up and saved in NVRAM. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Aug 21 07:18:34 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA15492 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA03390 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:08:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Ghislain" Subject: HELP Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:53:30 +0200 Organization: Belgacom Skynet SA/NV Message-ID: <7pm1a3$81a$1@news1.skynet.be> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi, I must transmit data by a serial port to and from a device that uses Kermit. How can I do that in Visual Basic or Visual C++? I'd need an ActiveX control or a piece of code, I don't know. Thanks in advance, Ghislain. From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 22 08:48:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20487 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA07071 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:30:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: mlevin@login3.fas.harvard.edu (Michael Levin) Subject: how to send directory trees? Date: 22 Aug 1999 12:05:13 GMT Organization: Harvard University, Cambridge, Massachusetts Message-ID: <7pop1p$tlk$1@news.fas.harvard.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello All - I have kermit version 6 running on 2 unix systems. I understand that it has the ability to recursively send whole directory trees. How do I do this? The send and msend commands don't seem to - when I say "send directory1" it says "?File not readable - directory1". Also, I've read that it has a "re-send" feature that allows you to finish sending files if the modem connection is broken. Will this work on whole directory trees also? Thanks in advance. If possible, please email me at mlevin@fas.harvard.edu with any info on all this. Mike Levin From news@columbia.edu Sun Aug 22 10:18:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28978 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11016 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:06:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: how to send directory trees? Date: 22 Aug 1999 14:06:02 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7pp04a$ao5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7pop1p$tlk$1@news.fas.harvard.edu>, Michael Levin wrote: : : Hello All - : : I have kermit version 6 running on 2 unix systems. I understand that it : has the ability to recursively send whole directory trees. How do I do : this? The send and msend commands don't seem to - when I say "send : directory1" it says "?File not readable - directory1". Also, I've read : that it has a "re-send" feature that allows you to finish sending files if : the modem connection is broken. Will this work on whole directory trees : also? Thanks in advance. If possible, please email me at : mlevin@fas.harvard.edu with any info on all this. : : Mike Levin : : Recursive directory transfers are supported beginning in C-Kermit 7.0. See http://www.kermit-project.org/ck70.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 09:48:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10268 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA03546 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:37:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "kiran.k" Subject: make errors on RH6.0 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:05:09 +0500 Organization: VSNL Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu hi on compiling c-kermit 7.0.195 Beta.09 on RH 6.0 this is the result---- | [slick@localhost ~] $ make linux . . . kuusx.c:30: term.h: No such file or directory ckuusx.c:3573: ncurses.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [ckuusx.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' make[1]: *** [linuxa] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' make: *** [linux] Error 2 --------------------------------------------- line 30 in ckuusx.c reads---> #include its the same for ncurses.h the same errors are reported for "make linuxc/linuxnc/linuxa/linuxso" no files such as ncurses.h or term.h exists on my system the only similar files are ncurses.ph and term.ph thanx -bye :-) From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 10:18:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17543 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04031 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: make errors on RH6.0 Date: 23 Aug 1999 13:49:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7prjhr$3ts$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , kiran.k wrote: : on compiling c-kermit 7.0.195 Beta.09 on RH 6.0 this is the result---- : : | [slick@localhost ~] $ make linux : . : . : . : kuusx.c:30: term.h: No such file or directory : ckuusx.c:3573: ncurses.h: No such file or directory : make[2]: *** [ckuusx.o] Error 1 : make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' : make[1]: *** [linuxa] Error 2 : make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' : make: *** [linux] Error 2 : --------------------------------------------- : line 30 in ckuusx.c : reads---> #include its the same for ncurses.h the same errors : are reported for "make linuxc/linuxnc/linuxa/linuxso" no files such as : ncurses.h or term.h exists on my system the only similar files are : ncurses.ph and term.ph : I think you must have an unusual or modified Red Hat 6.0 setup. I do believe that the Linux File System Standard has, for the past several years, REQUIRED the presence of ncurses.h. Please read the ckuins.txt (C-Kermit for UNIX Installation text) file. Search for "curses". Find entries like: . For the curses-based fullscreen file-ransfer display, the curses or ncurses header file(s) and library, and probably also the termcap and/or termlib library. Note that the names and locations of these files and libraries are likely to change capriciously with every new release of your UNIX product. If you discover that the C-Kermit build procedure fails because your curses and/or termxxx headers or libraries are not named or located as expected, please let us know. In the meantime, work around by installing symlinks. and: "Can't find shared library libc.so.2.1" "Can't find shared library libncurses.so.3.0", etc... You are trying to run a binary that was built on a system that has different library versions that the local system, and the local system's loader is picky about library version numbers. Rebuild from source locally. and: This problem only gets worse over time. In the Linux and *BSD world, we also have totally different libraries (each with their own names and numbering systems) that cover the same territory; for example, curses vs ncurses, libc versus glibc. Combinations proliferate and any given PC might have any combination. For this reason it is becoming increasingly difficult to produce a "Linux binary" for a given architecture (e.g. PC or Alpha). There has to be a separate binary for (at least) every combination of curses vs ncurses and libc vs glibc. (end quotes) I think you must have installed some other package that renamed your ncurses.h and term.h files. If you don't have these files available under their normal names, you won't be able to build any software that uses (n)curses, either. I wouldn't even dare to guess how this might have happened, so I'm copying the Linux newsgroup in case anybody there can offer an explanation. Meanwhile, are you sure that "make linuxnc" didn't work? That's the target that omits everything to do with curses (linuxnc = Linux No Curses). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 11:48:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA15092 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09351 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:31:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "James S. Johnson" Subject: Downloading gz files using C-Kermit, Linux, & Lynx Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:20:18 -0400 Organization: ncsc Message-ID: <37C166B2.3F55@radium.ncsc.mil> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu All, I have a perplexing problem using C-Kermit to download files. The local public library offers a Lynx connection to the internet. I have three communications programs that I use to connect - Hyperterm/Win95, C-Kermit/Linux(Slackware4.0), and MS-Kermit/Win95's DOS. Both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit come from www.columbia.edu. I log in as guest, and I cannot change settings on the library's Lynx setup. I am able to examine downloaded files with a binary editor. I can download *.exe files without a problem. However, I cannot correctly download *.gz files. Under Hyperterm and MS-Kermit, the files have a 0x0D (hexadecimal for 13) byte inserted before every 0x0A byte. Under C-Kermit, the files have all the 0x0D's stripped. Except for the fact that I can download *.exe files, this appears to be a problem with the text/binary setting. I have tried everything I can think of to make certain the setting is on binary, but without solving the problem. One odd thing I have noticed - using C-Kermit I can turn the automatic receive switch off, so I have to explicitly go to Kermit and start the receive part of the transfer. When I do so, I see a banner that tells me the transfer is in binary mode, but after about 10 packets are received it switches to text mode. This is bewildering. It tells me that I am indeed correctly putting Kermit into binary mode, but that (1) Lynx is switching me back to text mode without my knowledge, (2) my C-Kermit has an automatic switch set to change me back to text mode if it sees a particular byte sequence in the incoming data, which is coincidentally in the *.gz files I have attempted to download, or (3) the banner doesn't actually reflect the setting of C-Kermit, but instead is just notifying me that the file appears to be a text file. Just to make sure (2) isn't the culprit, I've turned off all the automatic functionality I can find, with no change in the final results - the received files under C-Kermit still have the 0x0D's stripped. Also, HyperTerm appears to be in text mode, too, even though I use the receive command, which the HyperTerm documentation says is a binary transfer. So I don't believe that C-Kermit is switching automatically, and I do believe that it is set to binary mode when the transfer begins. Frank DaCruz' _Using C-Kermit_ has a single (as far as I can find) reference to Lynx. It is on pg. 536, I think, around the middle of the page, and it refers to a problem running C-Kermit under VMS when communicating with Lynx. Unfortunately I don't know what OS the library's Lynx runs under. Does Lynx and C-Kermit have a known problem when it comes to downloading *.gz files, or is there something else that I should try to get the downloads to work? James Johnson From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 12:18:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA04065 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA11169 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:04:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Downloading gz files using C-Kermit, Linux, & Lynx Date: 23 Aug 1999 16:04:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7prrdv$asu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C166B2.3F55@radium.ncsc.mil>, James S. Johnson wrote: : I have a perplexing problem using C-Kermit to download files. : : The local public library offers a Lynx connection to the internet. I : have three communications programs that I use to connect - : Hyperterm/Win95, C-Kermit/Linux(Slackware4.0), and MS-Kermit/Win95's : DOS. Both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit come from www.columbia.edu. I log in as : guest, and I cannot change settings on the library's Lynx setup. I am : able to examine downloaded files with a binary editor. : : I can download *.exe files without a problem. However, I cannot : correctly download *.gz files. Under Hyperterm and MS-Kermit, the files : have a 0x0D (hexadecimal for 13) byte inserted before every 0x0A byte. : Under C-Kermit, the files have all the 0x0D's stripped. : This indicates that C-Kermit is in text mode. : Except for the : fact that I can download *.exe files, this appears to be a problem with : the text/binary setting. I have tried everything I can think of to make : certain the setting is on binary, but without solving the problem. : It won't do any good to put C-Kermit in binary mode if Lynx is sending the file in text mode -- by the time C-Kermit gets it, it is already corrupt. : One odd thing I have noticed - using C-Kermit I can turn the automatic : receive switch off, so I have to explicitly go to Kermit and start the : receive part of the transfer. When I do so, I see a banner that tells me : the transfer is in binary mode, but after about 10 packets are received : it switches to text mode. This is bewildering. : This means that the Kermit program on the Lynx end has sent the file in text mode and has announced that it is text in the file attribute packet, which comes after several other preliminary packets. : It tells me that I am : indeed correctly putting Kermit into binary mode, but that (1) Lynx is : switching me back to text mode without my knowledge... : Yes. : (2) my C-Kermit has : an automatic switch set to change me back to text mode if it sees a : particular byte sequence in the incoming data, which is coincidentally : in the *.gz files I have attempted to download... : No, C-Kermit doesn't do anything like that. When receiving files, it follows the file type announced by the sender. The sender always governs the transfer mode. , or (3) the banner : doesn't actually reflect the setting of C-Kermit, but instead is just : notifying me that the file appears to be a text file. : No, the banner tells you the actual transfer mode. : Just to make sure : (2) isn't the culprit, I've turned off all the automatic functionality I : can find, with no change in the final results - the received files under : C-Kermit still have the 0x0D's stripped. Also, HyperTerm appears to be : in text mode, too, even though I use the receive command, which the : HyperTerm documentation says is a binary transfer. So I don't believe : that C-Kermit is switching automatically, and I do believe that it is : set to binary mode when the transfer begins. : I don't think HyperTerm actually makes any distinction between text and binary mode. Old versions of MS-DOS Kermit didn't either (pre-3.0). : Frank DaCruz' _Using C-Kermit_ has a single (as far as I can find) : reference to Lynx. It is on pg. 536, I think, around the middle of the : page, and it refers to a problem running C-Kermit under VMS when : communicating with Lynx. Unfortunately I don't know what OS the : library's Lynx runs under. Does Lynx and C-Kermit have a known problem : when it comes to downloading *.gz files, or is there something else that : I should try to get the downloads to work? : I don't know a lot about Lynx, but I understand that its file-transfer options are configured at startup. Its startup file contains lines like: DOWNLOADER:Kermit binary download:/opt/bin/kermit -i -V -s %s -a %s:TRUE DOWNLOADER:Kermit text download:/opt/bin/kermit -s %s -a %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit binary upload:/opt/bin/kermit -i -r -a %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit text upload:/opt/bin/kermit -r -a %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit text get:/opt/bin/kermit -g %s:TRUE UPLOADER:Kermit binary get:/opt/bin/kermit -ig %s:TRUE But this doesn't reveal anything about how it tells the difference between a text file and a binary file. I suspect that somewhere else in its configuration, there is a list of binary filetypes (like ".exe") and text filetypes (like ".txt"). Either (a) ".gz" is erroneously listed as text, or (more likely) (b) ".gz" is not listed and the default for unlisted types is text. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 13:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15462 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16032 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:39:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk> From: Jonathan Graham Harston Organization: Sheffield Liberal Democrats Subject: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:36:45 +0000 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer. So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems). However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do an X/Y/ZModem file transfer. The blurb also says that Kermit95 supports XYZ, but that's not available for preview downloading; and I'm reluctant to send off money for something if I don't actually know what it does. I've already got a cupboard full of useless software that I didn't need to have bought. Can somebody give a definitive answer. Does MS-Kermit 3.xx support XYZ? How do I get it to do it? Thanks. -- Cllr Jonathan Harston http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/ Office IT Administrator Councillor for Walkley Ward, Sheffield City Council From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 13:48:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15466 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16354 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:45:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:45:54 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ps1ci$fv0$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk>, Jonathan Graham Harston wrote: : Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 : supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer. : What blurb? : So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need : (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems). : : However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do : an X/Y/ZModem file transfer. : : The blurb also says that Kermit95 supports XYZ, but that's not : available for preview downloading; and I'm reluctant to send off money : for something if I don't actually know what it does. I've already got : a cupboard full of useless software that I didn't need to have bought. : When the next version is ready, there will be a downloadable trial version. : Can somebody give a definitive answer. Does MS-Kermit 3.xx support : XYZ? : No. : How do I get it to do it? : There might be some way you can get an external XYZMODEM protocol implementation like DSZ to use the connection that MS-DOS Kermit has made, but you're on your own for that (unless any readers who have experience with it can offer instructions). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 13:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15470 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16426 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:46:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:46:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ps1dh$g17$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk>, Jonathan Graham Harston wrote: : Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 : supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer. : : So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need : (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems). : : However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do : an X/Y/ZModem file transfer. : : The blurb also says that Kermit95 supports XYZ, but that's not : available for preview downloading; and I'm reluctant to send off money : for something if I don't actually know what it does. I've already got : a cupboard full of useless software that I didn't need to have bought. : : Can somebody give a definitive answer. Does MS-Kermit 3.xx support : XYZ? How do I get it to do it? : MS-DOS Kermit does not support XYZmodem transfers. For XYZmodem transfers in MS-DOS Kermit you need to use an external implementation of those protocols. Kermit 95 does support XYZmodem transfers. If you purchase Kermit 95 and it does not meet your needs return it for a refund. If you are considering a bulk license then contact us at kermit-orders@columbia.edu for a demo. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 13:48:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA15474 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA16279 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 13:44:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Downloading gz files using C-Kermit, Linux, & Lynx Date: 23 Aug 1999 17:44:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ps195$fsk$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7prrdv$asu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <37C166B2.3F55@radium.ncsc.mil>, : James S. Johnson wrote: : : I have a perplexing problem using C-Kermit to download files. : : : : The local public library offers a Lynx connection to the internet. I : : have three communications programs that I use to connect - : : Hyperterm/Win95, C-Kermit/Linux(Slackware4.0), and MS-Kermit/Win95's : : DOS. Both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit come from www.columbia.edu. I log in as : : guest, and I cannot change settings on the library's Lynx setup. I am : : able to examine downloaded files with a binary editor. : : : : I can download *.exe files without a problem. However, I cannot : : correctly download *.gz files. Under Hyperterm and MS-Kermit, the files : : have a 0x0D (hexadecimal for 13) byte inserted before every 0x0A byte. : : Under C-Kermit, the files have all the 0x0D's stripped. : : : This indicates that C-Kermit is in text mode. : : : Except for the : : fact that I can download *.exe files, this appears to be a problem with : : the text/binary setting. I have tried everything I can think of to make : : certain the setting is on binary, but without solving the problem. The problem is in either the Lynx configuration or the HTML tagging for the download. Lynx thinks that the file is a text file and therefore starts Kermit in TEXT mode. It knows that .exe files are binary and therefore starts Kermit in BINARY mode. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Mon Aug 23 15:48:51 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA26664 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA23116 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:32:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Message-ID: Date: 23 Aug 99 13:31:02 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C186AD.AF342B71@libdems.force9.co.uk>, Jonathan Graham Harston writes: > Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 > supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer. > > So, I downloaded a copy to play with to see if it would do what I need > (I'm developing some serial-based communications systems). > > However, I couldn't for the life of me find out how to get it to do > an X/Y/ZModem file transfer. The authorative answer is MSK does not support *modem file transfers. Joe D. (the author) From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 24 07:48:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA16978 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA07581 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:48:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37C285F8.AEDE8104@libdems.force9.co.uk> From: Jonathan Graham Harston Organization: Sheffield Liberal Democrats Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:46:00 +0000 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hmmm. That's interesting. The reply is dated 45 minutes before I sent the query. Time to bash my head on the system clock again... Anyway... Frank da Cruz wrote: > Jonathan Graham Harston wrote: > : Reading the blurb gave me the impression that MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 > : supported X/Y/ZMODEM file transfer. > What blurb? I think here's what happened, to cut a long story ( http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/docs/Comp/Comms/FindXYZ ) short, I was tired, took some short cuts, forgot what I was doing. Anyway, Until K95 is available, which looks like it might be what I need, does anybody know of a decent or semi-decent serial terminal program for Windows 3/95/98 that supports bulk batch file transfer with, at a minimum, X and YModem? (ZModem optional). Thanks. [If I could rewrite what's at the other end, I'd put a Kermit server there, but unfortunately, at the moment, I can't.] -- Cllr Jonathan Harston http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/ Office IT Administrator; IT Working Group Councillor for Walkley Ward, Sheffield City Council Join me at the wall, and we'll bash our head against it. From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 24 08:48:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA23444 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA10458 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:47:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:47:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7pu49j$a6n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C285F8.AEDE8104@libdems.force9.co.uk>, Jonathan Graham Harston wrote: : Anyway, : Until K95 is available, which looks like it might be what I need, does : anybody know of a decent or semi-decent serial terminal program for : Windows 3/95/98 that supports bulk batch file transfer with, at a : minimum, X and YModem? (ZModem optional). : Kermit 95 is available with XYZmodem support for Windows 9x/NT and OS/2. What is not available is a "publicly available" downloadable demo. We will refund your money if you are not satisfied and will provide demos (complete with printed manuals) to potential bulk licensees. Kermit 95 is not available for Windows 3.x. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 24 09:18:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28579 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11135 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:02:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37C2974C.82E07D54@libdems.force9.co.uk> From: Jonathan Graham Harston Organization: Sheffield Liberal Democrats Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:59:56 +0000 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote: > demo. We will refund your money if you are not satisfied and will Does that include the UK distributers, Software Paradise? http://www.softwareparadise.co.uk I think I'm sufficiently confident to dig out my cheque-book, it should be ukp70 well spent. -- Cllr Jonathan Harston http://www.libdems.force9.co.uk/usr/jgh/ Office IT Administrator Councillor for Walkley Ward, Sheffield City Council From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 24 09:18:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28581 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11972 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:16:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: XYZModem support in MSKermit 3.14 Date: 24 Aug 1999 13:16:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7pu5vo$bm1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C2974C.82E07D54@libdems.force9.co.uk>, Jonathan Graham Harston wrote: : Jeffrey Altman wrote: : > demo. We will refund your money if you are not satisfied and will : : Does that include the UK distributers, Software Paradise? : http://www.softwareparadise.co.uk : I can't speak for the policies of individual distributors. I can only speak for orders that we fulfill. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 24 11:18:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA03178 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA18172 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:17:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "kiran.k" Subject: Re: make errors on RH6.0 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:54:42 +0500 Organization: VSNL Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, kiran.k wrote: > on compiling c-kermit 7.0.195 Beta.09 on RH 6.0 this is the result---- > > . > kuusx.c:30: term.h: No such file or directory > ckuusx.c:3573: ncurses.h: No such file or directory > make[2]: *** [ckuusx.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/slick' hi frank, thanx for the reply. You were right when you said that i had an incomplete distribution. after obtaining and installing the ncurses-devel- package,it compiled with no problems. I was thinking on the lines that since ncurses is used in dynamic lib. form,(which i did have),i did not understand why ncurses.h was required. also, "make linuxnc" was failing because the file was not found by "ckuusx.c". thanx again. bye:-) From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 25 09:49:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12494 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA11087 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:31:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Pathworks - Kermit Problem Date: 25 Aug 1999 13:31:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7q0r7e$aqc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <19990824190826.15484.00001803@ngol07.aol.com>, FrankK1414 wrote: : I'm not sure that this the proper place for this but maybe somebody can : set me straight. I was asked by my client to upgrade PATHworks on some : Windows 95 PCs and to do some new installations on some other W95 : PCs. Part of my guidance was NOT to use DECnet. For the record I was : installing/upgrading to V6.0.003. The existing version was V6.0.001. : : The problem occurs when users invoke Kermit to transfer files. The PC : immediately pops up an error window indicating, "RFA_API.DLL cannot be : loaded". The Client Message manual suggests checking the path -- : presumably the DOS Path -- and the existence of the file. These both check : out OK. The path includes the PW directory and the file exists in that : directory. Incidentally this occurs only on the new installations and not : on the upgrades. I have no information on how the original installations : were done. Also the terminal connections (via LAT) seem to work fine. I am : at a complete loss. Can anyone point me in the right direction? : With more information. What Kermit program are you using? Kermit 95? Which version? Most K95 users go straight to kermit-support@columbia.edu for help -- you didn't know about it? Anyway, my first suggestion would be to look at all the directories in your PATH (and current directory) and see which ones have RFA_API.DLL in them. Every time you install software on Windows, DLLs tend to pile up all over the place. If that doesn't help, get back to the Kermit support address. Well, it probably won't since you say it only happens on new installations. So please get back to us with details about your software. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Aug 25 11:19:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA05313 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17044 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:16:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Pathworks - Kermit Problem Date: 25 Aug 1999 15:16:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7q11cd$gk2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7q0r7e$aqc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <19990824190826.15484.00001803@ngol07.aol.com>, : FrankK1414 wrote: : : I'm not sure that this the proper place for this but maybe somebody can : : set me straight. I was asked by my client to upgrade PATHworks on some : : Windows 95 PCs and to do some new installations on some other W95 : : PCs. Part of my guidance was NOT to use DECnet. For the record I was : : installing/upgrading to V6.0.003. The existing version was V6.0.001. : : Kermit 95 requires DEC Pathworks-32 Version 7.0 or higher. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 26 17:49:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA24408 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15663 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:45:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: yisroel Subject: C-Kermit hangs. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:42:32 -0400 Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <37C5B4C8.49147424@ix.netcom.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I'm running the newest beta and older version of C-Kermit for Red Hat Linux 6.0 and here is the problem I have: I'm doing a system call from a Perl script to run a kermit script. At some point of Kermit script execution kermit process or sz call would hang. As soon as I try to strace my kermit process it would come alive. Could someone please help me with it? From news@columbia.edu Thu Aug 26 18:19:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA01195 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16237 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:59:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit hangs. Date: 26 Aug 1999 21:59:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7q4dbt$fra$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37C5B4C8.49147424@ix.netcom.com>, yisroel wrote: : I'm running the newest beta and older version of C-Kermit for Red Hat : Linux 6.0 and here is the problem I have: : : I'm doing a system call from a Perl script to run a kermit script. At : some point of Kermit script execution kermit process or sz call would : hang. As soon as I try to strace my kermit process it would come alive. : The best technique is to decompose your procedure into its parts to isolate the part that is giving you trouble. Begin by removing Perl and your Kermit script from the picture. Can you make a connection with C-Kermit by hand and then transfer files over it with sz? If it doesn't work by hand, it won't work in your script. Note that using sz as an external protocol over a connection you have made with Kermit will work only if you have a version of sz that uses stdio for file transfer. Versions of sz produced since about 1988 do NOT use stdio for this, and therefore C-Kermit can not redirect them over the communications connection. For further info, see item 38 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html and/or read Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit" about external protocols. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 31 15:49:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14908 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20566 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michael Hamelin" Subject: Problem running Beta 6 on VMS55x Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:24:07 -0400 Organization: The Internet Connection Message-ID: <7qh62f$j76$1@bashir.ici.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am getting an error from VMS when the image is run on VMS 5.5-2 machine. Shareable image error on activation. Beta 4 runs..beta 6 doesn't...any thoughts ? From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 31 15:49:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14910 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20570 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:29:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michael Hamelin" Subject: VMS batch not showing file transfer info ?? - BETA 6 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:39 -0400 Organization: The Internet Connection Message-ID: <7qh677$jah$1@bashir.ici.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Ran beta 4...still no batch information being displayed...get TT error message and no output. version 5 - 188 was fine...scripts haven't changed, nor the account it runs from. This is a problem with Version 7 - beta 4 & 6...is this fixed yet ? From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 31 15:49:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14913 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA21325 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:43:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Problem running Beta 6 on VMS55x Date: 31 Aug 1999 19:43:38 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qhb9a$kqa$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7qh62f$j76$1@bashir.ici.net>, Michael Hamelin wrote: : I am getting an error from VMS when the image is run on VMS 5.5-2 machine. : Shareable image error on activation. Beta 4 runs..beta 6 doesn't...any : thoughts ? : We're up to Beta 9 now. Please pick up the current VMS 5.5 image and see if it's OK: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Aug 31 15:49:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA14916 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA20564 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:29:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Michael Hamelin" Subject: USR to USR fixed ? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:31:26 -0400 Organization: The Internet Connection Message-ID: <7qh6g5$jjj$1@bashir.ici.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu We have tried using a USR Sportster 33.6k modem in the field and the same modem as the sender. The USR connect on VMS ahead of schedule and the call NEVER connects. The CKERMIT.INI never sees the connection. If you substitute the USR sender with a ZOOM 56k fax modem and all went fine. Not sure why, but no changes to software, other than telling the dialer it is a USR vs. zoom, one works, one doesn't.......any clue ??? we are using this and works for us, but usr to usr should work.... From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 1 12:49:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15608 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA10369 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:45:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: USR to USR fixed ? Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:45:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qjl6p$a3u$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7qh6g5$jjj$1@bashir.ici.net>, Michael Hamelin wrote: : We have tried using a USR Sportster 33.6k modem in the field and the same : modem as the sender. The USR connect on VMS ahead of schedule and the call : NEVER connects. The CKERMIT.INI never sees the connection. If you substitute : the USR sender with a ZOOM 56k fax modem and all went fine. Not sure why, : but no changes to software, other than telling the dialer it is a USR vs. : zoom, one works, one doesn't.......any clue ??? we are using this and works : for us, but usr to usr should work.... : We have had this report sitting in our queue for some time (and have responded directly to Michael about it). We have a similar setup here (VMS system with USR Courier on serial port) and can dial out to a number which is answered by another USR modem (in this case, one of their rackmounts), with no trouble whatsoever. All I can suggest is to look at the detailed configurations (NVRAM, DIP switches, and all) in the USR modems on each end and fool with it until works. You should be using (and I know you are) VMS C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.05 or later for dialing out, since earlier versions did not know they had to set &S0 in the modem (a peculiarity of VMS). And of course the dialout line must be configured /MODEM /PERM. See the CKVINS.TXT file for details (lots of them). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 1 12:49:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA15621 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA09984 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:37:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: VMS batch not showing file transfer info ?? - BETA 6 Date: 1 Sep 1999 16:37:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qjkob$9nt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7qh677$jah$1@bashir.ici.net>, Michael Hamelin wrote: : Ran beta 4...still no batch information being displayed...get TT error : message and no output. : : version 5 - 188 was fine...scripts haven't changed, nor the account it runs : from. This is a problem with Version 7 - beta 4 & 6...is this fixed yet ? : I don't know what's broken. If I create the following batch job: $ IF F$MODE() .EQS. "BATCH" THEN SET NOVERIFY $ write sys$output "Hello from Batch job" $ kermit def passwd xxxxxxxxxxx def userid fdc set prompt {} echo Hello from \v(program) asg prompt {\13\10$ } set exit warning off set login userid {} set input timeout quit set input echo on set host some.host.name.com input 20 login: lineout \m(userid) input 5 Password: lineout \m(passwd) input 30 \m(prompt) lineout cd tmp input 5 \m(prompt) lineout kermit -r input 5 READY TO RECEIVE... send foo.bar pause 1 lineout exit pause 1 exit $ write sys$output "Batch job finished" and SUBMIT it, using C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.09 on VMS, it runs exactly as expected -- that is, it logs into the remote computer and sends it a file, and creates a batch log file containing a transcript of the session. (Note that I don't recommend putting passwords in batch files, but that's another matter.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 1 17:19:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA22568 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 17:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA24354 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 16:51:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Dale A. Dellutri" Subject: Re: VMS batch not showing file transfer info ?? - BETA 6 Date: 1 Sep 1999 20:49:28 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <7qk3go$9dj$1@eve.enteract.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:26:39 -0400, Michael Hamelin wrote: > Ran beta 4...still no batch information being displayed...get TT error > message and no output. > version 5 - 188 was fine...scripts haven't changed, nor the account it runs > from. This is a problem with Version 7 - beta 4 & 6...is this fixed yet ? Please note that the certain features of C-Kermit changed dramatically from version 5-188 to version 7 beta 4, especially in the area of SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF or ON You don't show your scripts, so I don't know what the trouble is. If they depend on the old behavior of CARRIER-WATCH, they won't work with any version of Kermit newer than 5A(190). See the new manual (Using C-Kermit Communication Software, 2nd edition). -- Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 2 00:20:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA28425 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16631 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:19:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: steward@granbury.com (Daniel Sigsworth) Subject: Re: Can I get Kermit 95 to choose which DUN connection to use? Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 04:18:09 GMT Organization: No Doubt Ranch Refuge of Hope Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu where Can i get kermit for MS-DOS?? thankyou and Godbless, Daniel steward@granbury.com In article <7kp8kl$t6g@netaxs.com>, stan@nextaxs.com says... > > I am a very happy user of Kermit 95. I would like to know if there is a >way to get K95 to choose which >Windows 95 Dial Up Networking connection to use? I have three clients that >I connect to via DUN. I first have >to start up the DUN connection, then fire up the correct K95 seesion to >telnet into the remote machine. Is there >any way to tell K95 that when I fire up session A, use DUN connection A? > > Thanks for any help, > > Stan Barndt > HSB Consulting > > From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 2 00:49:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA02357 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA16767 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Can I get Kermit 95 to choose which DUN connection to use? Date: 2 Sep 1999 04:24:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qku5u$gbt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Daniel Sigsworth wrote: : where Can i get kermit for MS-DOS?? : thankyou and Godbless, : Daniel : steward@granbury.com : : In article <7kp8kl$t6g@netaxs.com>, stan@nextaxs.com says... : > : > I am a very happy user of Kermit 95. I would like to know if : there is a : >way to get K95 to choose which : >Windows 95 Dial Up Networking connection to use? I have three clients : that : >I connect to via DUN. I first have : >to start up the DUN connection, then fire up the correct K95 seesion : to : >telnet into the remote machine. Is there : >any way to tell K95 that when I fire up session A, use DUN connection : A? Not with any tools that come with Kermit 95. If anyone has any suggestions on how this would be done please feel free to let us know. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 2 13:50:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06390 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21677 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:20:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: a_ppi_s@my-deja.com Subject: credit report pull - newbie Date: Thu, 02 Sep 1999 17:08:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7qmau4$pmb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I'm trying to write a script to dial into a major credit bureau to pull credit in an automated fashion. Basically my plan is to use procmail to check incoming email and pull specific fields as arguments to be passed to a script that will in turn dial out to a processor... so with that in mind It looks like kermit will work great for me. So, my question is, how difficult is it to write a wermit program like this? Any pointers to get me started in the right direction? -Thanks Andy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 2 13:50:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA06401 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA22987 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 13:48:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: credit report pull - newbie Date: 2 Sep 1999 17:48:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qmd8o$me8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7qmau4$pmb$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : I'm trying to write a script to dial : into a major credit bureau to pull credit in an automated fashion. : Basically my plan is to use procmail to check incoming email and pull : specific fields as arguments to be passed to a script that will in turn : dial out to a processor... so with that in mind It looks like kermit : will work great for me. : : So, my question is, how difficult is it to write a wermit program like : this? Any pointers to get me started in the right direction? : Start by reading the script programming chapters of the manual, Using C-Kermit: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/manuals.html (or other appropriate manual, depending on which platform you are developing on). And then look through the Kermit script library: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html for examples. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 3 16:20:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA28963 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26834 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:08:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Ye Huang" Subject: C-Kermit 6.0.192 performance on HP-UX 10.20 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:04:50 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello: I use Kermit to upload files on both PC (using Procomm Plus 4.5), and HP-UX 10.20. To upload a file of 60K size, the Unix side takes 8-9 minutes, while the PC side only a couples of minutes. Modems are connected at the same speed, 9600bps, and window-size both at 8. What can cause such a drastic difference in performance? Please email me at ye.huang@zweig.com. Thanks a lot in advance! Ye From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 3 16:50:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07351 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27868 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:29:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit 6.0.192 performance on HP-UX 10.20 Date: 3 Sep 1999 20:29:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qpb3f$r6p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Ye Huang wrote: : Hello: : : I use Kermit to upload files on both PC (using Procomm Plus 4.5), and : HP-UX 10.20. To upload a file of 60K size, the Unix side takes 8-9 minutes, : while the PC side only a couples of minutes. Modems are connected at the : same speed, 9600bps, and window-size both at 8. : Are you talking about two separate setups? If so, what is on each end of each connection? What are you uploading to? Which program is sending and which is receiving? What communications and protocol parameters (besides window size) have you set? : What can cause such a drastic difference in performance? : Any number of things. The book "Using C-Kermit" has a whole chapter that goes into great detail about performance. There are many factors that go into the best performance on any particular connection -- primarily window size, packet length, degree of prefixing, flow control. Also, why restrict yourself to 9600 bps? Even if all you have is a V.32 modem, you should still be able to set the serial interface speed 2-4 times higher and let the modem's built-in compression work for you. For starters, try giving C-Kermit the "fast" command before starting the transfer. C-Kermit 6.0 and earlier have conservative ("robust") tuning by default. See the manual for a complete explanation. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 3 18:50:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA09399 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA04663 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:42:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Ye Huang" Subject: modem "messed up" after using C-Kermit on HP-UX Message-ID: <29Yz3.269$_h3.6386@client> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:39:22 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi: Another thing of using C-Kermit on HP-UX 10.20 to send a file via a modem is that, I can no longer dial into the same modem attatched to the HP machine (prompt characters are "messed up") unless I power cycle the modem. What needs to be set (or OS patched) to fix it? Ye From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 4 11:50:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16208 for ; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA17555 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 4 Sep 1999 11:39:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: modem "messed up" after using C-Kermit on HP-UX Date: 4 Sep 1999 15:39:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7qrefh$h4g$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <29Yz3.269$_h3.6386@client>, Ye Huang wrote: : Another thing of using C-Kermit on HP-UX 10.20 to send a file via a : modem is that, I can no longer dial into the same modem attatched to the HP : machine (prompt characters are "messed up") unless I power cycle the modem. : : What needs to be set (or OS patched) to fix it? : This is more of an HP-UX system administration question than a question about Kermit. When a serial port is to be used for both dialout and dialin, the process that controls port when it is not being used for dialout (such as getty) has to "take back" the modem and reconfigure it for answering calls. Some modem configuration might also be involved -- for example, setting its profile to reload a call-answering configuration from NVRAM whenever a connection is dropped and/or setting some DIP switches in a certain way, depending on the make and model of the modem. Let's see if we can get some specific answers from HP-UX system adminstrators. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 6 20:20:37 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11690 for ; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07699 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 6 Sep 1999 20:00:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: John Pezzano Subject: Re: modem "messed up" after using C-Kermit on HP-UX Date: Mon, 06 Sep 1999 17:53:47 -0400 Organization: Not Organized Message-ID: <37D437EB.F0F4406A@earthlink.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > > In article <29Yz3.269$_h3.6386@client>, Ye Huang wrote: > : Another thing of using C-Kermit on HP-UX 10.20 to send a file via a > : modem is that, I can no longer dial into the same modem attatched to the HP > : machine (prompt characters are "messed up") unless I power cycle the modem. > : > : What needs to be set (or OS patched) to fix it? > : > This is more of an HP-UX system administration question than a question about > Kermit. When a serial port is to be used for both dialout and dialin, the > process that controls port when it is not being used for dialout (such as > getty) has to "take back" the modem and reconfigure it for answering calls. > Some modem configuration might also be involved -- for example, setting its > profile to reload a call-answering configuration from NVRAM whenever a > connection is dropped and/or setting some DIP switches in a certain way, > depending on the make and model of the modem. > > Let's see if we can get some specific answers from HP-UX system adminstrators. > > - Frank Some modems to be "smart" remember the last callout speed by autosyncing to the "AT" command. They then use this speed when you dial in. getty does not send an AT command so the modem will not sync to the getty. The best way to handle modems on HP-UX is to: Use only one speed to dial out. Modems in this day and age will sync to the modem at the other end (unlike the old days of wooden ships and iron men and modems that were dumb). There is no reason to use multiple speeds. Use the dialout speed as the getty speed. For the same reason as above, let the modems handle the speed differences. Use the fastest speed possible. If you have a port that supports 115K and a modem that does, use it. If you have an old type card that supports only 19.2K, then make that the speed you use. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 8 09:51:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09488 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13374 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:46:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Andrew Flack Subject: ACK problem Filenames only wanted Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:44:43 +0100 Organization: MediDesk Message-ID: <37D6684A.5897@MediDesk.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu What do you do if K95 is sending an ack packet which includes the filename of the file to be received at the K95 server end, and the other end dosnt like it, just wanting the filename with no path data??? From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 8 09:51:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09492 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13548 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:49:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mikael Varila" Subject: "refused: size" on a transfer Message-ID: Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:25:10 GMT Organization: Sonera Ltd iNET services To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am trying to send a file to a K95 server over TCP/IP (port 2001) from a unix box, and I get an error message in transfact.log: Sending ... mode: text file character set ... xfer character set ... remote name: ... refused: size *** interrupted, sending discard request Versions are: K95 v1.1 on a WinNT 4.0 SP3, C-Kermit 6.0.192 on a HP-UX 10.20. There is plenty on disk space on target system, and no quota checking should be activated. So what gives? Any ideas? Mikael Varila Oy Softema Ab eMail: Mikael.Varila@softema.inet.fi Phone: +358 9 668 9230 Fax: +358 9 668 92 323 From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 8 09:51:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09505 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13161 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:40:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: cozzmo Subject: Kermit for ASCII file transfers Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 13:32:12 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7r5ogs$dtp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Background information: I'm currently using C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux as a console for 128 Suns and CMD RAID controllers. I'm running on a RedHat Linux 5.2 box with a pair of Cyclades multi-port serial cards. I'm quite happy with the set up. I need to flash the firmware on my RAID controllers (CMD 5440), and this is the area of my question. The controller provides a facility to do an ASCII upload to itself. The controller then converts the code to some binary format and then burns it to the eeprom. The controller manufacturer provides instructions on how to use Windows Terminal (terminal.exe) to do this, and it works fine. I'd like to figure out a way to use kermit to avoid carrying a laptop to about 40 RAID boxen. Here are the guidelines the manual suggests: 1) use software flow control (easy: set flow-control xon/xoff) 2) must use ascii file transfer mode 3) must instruct terminal program to end each line of text with a carriage return/line feed. Items 2 and 3 have me a little confused. First, I'm not sure if kermit can do straight ascii uploads. If this is the case, then I'll look elsewhere. Second, for item 3, since I'm using a unix application (vice windows), I'm not sure this applies to me. So, based on these requirements does it seem that C-Kermit will do the trick for me? Thanks, John Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 8 09:51:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA09512 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13399 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit for ASCII file transfers Date: 8 Sep 1999 13:47:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7r5pe5$d2k$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7r5ogs$dtp$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, cozzmo wrote: : Background information: : : I'm currently using C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Linux as a console : for 128 Suns and CMD RAID controllers. I'm running on a RedHat Linux 5.2 : box with a pair of Cyclades multi-port serial cards. I'm quite happy : with the set up. I need to flash the firmware on my RAID controllers : (CMD 5440), and this is the area of my question. : : The controller provides a facility to do an ASCII upload to itself. The : controller then converts the code to some binary format and then burns : it to the eeprom. The controller manufacturer provides instructions on : how to use Windows Terminal (terminal.exe) to do this, and it works : fine. I'd like to figure out a way to use kermit to avoid carrying a : laptop to about 40 RAID boxen. Here are the guidelines the manual : suggests: : : 1) use software flow control (easy: set flow-control xon/xoff) : 2) must use ascii file transfer mode : 3) must instruct terminal program to end each line of text with a : carriage return/line feed. : : Items 2 and 3 have me a little confused. First, I'm not sure if kermit : can do straight ascii uploads. : It can, the command is TRANSMIT. See Chapter 15 of "Using C-Kermit". : If this is the case, then I'll look : elsewhere. Second, for item 3, since I'm using a unix application (vice : windows), I'm not sure this applies to me. : If it does, use SET TRANSMIT LINEFEED ON (as opposed to OFF, which is the default). See the manual for complete instructions -- there is more to "ASCII protocol" than the three items you listed above. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 8 10:20:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16864 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13798 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:55:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: "refused: size" on a transfer Date: 8 Sep 1999 13:55:49 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7r5pt5$df4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Mikael Varila wrote: : : I am trying to send a file to a K95 server over TCP/IP (port 2001) : from a unix box, and I get an error message in transfact.log: : : Sending ... : mode: text : file character set ... : xfer character set ... : remote name: ... : refused: size : *** interrupted, sending discard request : : Versions are: K95 v1.1... : 1.1-point-what? 1.1.17 is current: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html : ... on a WinNT 4.0 SP3, C-Kermit 6.0.192 on a HP-UX 10.20. : : There is plenty on disk space on target system, and no quota : checking should be activated. : You'd need to send us a debug log if you want a diagnosis. To work around, tell one or both Kermit programs to "set attribute length off". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 8 10:20:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA16871 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA13660 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:53:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ACK problem Filenames only wanted Date: 8 Sep 1999 13:53:04 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7r5po0$dap$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37D6684A.5897@MediDesk.co.uk>, Andrew Flack wrote: : What do you do if K95 is sending an ack packet which includes the : filename of the file to be received at the K95 server end, and the other : end dosnt like it, just wanting the filename with no path data??? : (a) Contact the maker of the Kermit program on the other end and let them know their implementation is faulty and ask them to fix it. (b) Replace the faulty Kermit implementation with one that works. (c) Wait for Kermit 95 1.1.18, which will include a whole new set of features to let you adapt it to faulty Kermit file-transfer partners, since (a) rarely works. In K95 1.1.18, the command will be "SET F-ACK-BUG ON". It's also in the C-Kermit 7.0 Beta test: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 9 04:51:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id EAA14664 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA11176 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 04:47:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mikael Varila" Subject: Re: "refused: size" on a transfer Message-ID: Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 08:36:28 GMT Organization: Sonera Ltd To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Okei, that worked. Thanks. the K95 I use reports it's version as 1.1(192). Mikael Varila Oy Softema Ab eMail: Mikael.Varila@softema.inet.fi Phone: +358 9 668 9230 Fax: +358 9 668 92 323 Frank da Cruz wrote in message news:7r5pt5$df4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu... > In article , > Mikael Varila wrote: > : > : I am trying to send a file to a K95 server over TCP/IP (port 2001) > : from a unix box, and I get an error message in transfact.log: > : > : Sending ... > : mode: text > : file character set ... > : xfer character set ... > : remote name: ... > : refused: size > : *** interrupted, sending discard request > : > : Versions are: K95 v1.1... > : > 1.1-point-what? 1.1.17 is current: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html > > : ... on a WinNT 4.0 SP3, C-Kermit 6.0.192 on a HP-UX 10.20. > : > : There is plenty on disk space on target system, and no quota > : checking should be activated. > : > You'd need to send us a debug log if you want a diagnosis. To work > around, tell one or both Kermit programs to "set attribute length off". > > - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 9 10:21:08 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03698 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA26254 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:07:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: "refused: size" on a transfer Date: 9 Sep 1999 14:07:34 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7r8ev6$pkb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Mikael Varila wrote: : : Okei, that worked. Thanks. : : the K95 I use reports it's version as 1.1(192). : The original release from October 1995? No wonder you are having problems. Patches to the current release 1.1.17 are available from http://www.kermit-project.org/k95patch.html Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 9 16:51:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA15423 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA17610 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:49:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Ye Huang" Subject: C-Kermit Connection frequently disconnected Message-ID: Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:46:30 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi: My C-Kermit connection from my HP-UX 10.20 to Compuserv often gets disconnected after the "dial" command succeeds but before my kermit script sees Compuserv's "Host Name:" prompt. It will display "OK" first and "NO CARRIER" on the next line. But a lot of times the script works. I use hayes, tty0p0, 19200 (or 9600), and I set "cautious", and parity=space. 1) Is this problem from my setup, noise line, or from Compuserv (say, too many users?) 2) How do I code my kermit script to recognize the fact that "NO CARRIER" has occured after dialing succeeded and redial the number? Or is there a way to avoid this problem? From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 9 17:21:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21831 for ; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 17:21:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA18277 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:56:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-Kermit Connection frequently disconnected Date: 9 Sep 1999 20:56:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7r96un$hr2$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Ye Huang wrote: : My C-Kermit connection from my HP-UX 10.20 to Compuserv often gets : disconnected after the "dial" command succeeds but before my kermit script : sees Compuserv's "Host Name:" prompt. It will display "OK" first and "NO : CARRIER" on the next line. But a lot of times the script works. : : I use hayes, tty0p0, 19200 (or 9600), and I set "cautious", and : parity=space. : : 1) Is this problem from my setup, noise line, or from Compuserv (say, : too many users?) : If this always happens at the same place, then my guess would be it is Compuserve hanging up on your call, but maybe somebody who has a Compuserve shell account could comment more intelligently. : 2) How do I code my kermit script to recognize the fact that "NO : CARRIER" has occured after dialing succeeded and redial the number? Or is : there a way to avoid this problem? : You should not have to do anything special in your script. If you always put IF FAIL commands after any i/o commands (like INPUT or OUTPUT), it this should catch the disconnection. SET CARRIER-WATCH should be left at its default setting (in other words, SET CARRIER-WATCH OFF should not be used). The SET MODEM command should precede the SET LINE command, etc. All of this is documented in the manual. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 10 13:51:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA03907 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA06728 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 13:29:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: OOP shell scripting Date: 10 Sep 1999 17:29:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7rbf5q$6i5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7r9v08$obv$1@holly.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Kurt Harriger wrote: : Hi all, looking for a better way to use OOP patterns when doing shell : scripting to make my scripts more reusable. : : I was thinking some kinda . library plus a different scripting approach to : call various functions such as eval and $obj.method when calling to support : a limited polymorphic behavior. : Any one ever done anything like this with shell scripting. Maybe : : Shell scripts seem more reusable then one large binary. Java would work : nice except that it requires the runtime be installed on many systems before : any of my libraries are useful on those systems. : If you use C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html as your script interpreter rather than ksh, bash, etc (don't laugh until you've looked), the basic constructs of object oriented programming (classes, containers, inheritance, semaphores, etc) are illustrated in the C-Kermit script library: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 10 18:21:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA12253 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA22636 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:01:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: TVI955 terminal emulation client for Unix (Linux) Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:01:10 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7rbv36$m39$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7rbjq8$ot7$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : I connect to a system that uses tvi955 terminal emulation and I need to : find a client program that does tvi955 terminal emulation on Unix : (Linux or Solaris). We currently use ProComm as our win32 solution, : but we are attempting to come up with a Linux solution. : : I found the file /usr/share/terminfo/t/tvi955 which looks like a : terminfo file on my Redhat 6.0 system, but I can't figure out how to : use it for client emulation. : Is there an FAQ for this group? This question should surely go into it... UNIX is not DOS, Windows, or Mac OS. A UNIX application, other than an X server and the console driver, does not have direct access to the keyboard and screen, and so it is not, in general or in any real sense, possible to write a terminal emulator for UNIX. Instead, the console (physical keyboard and "raw" screen + drivers) or the xterm window give you what amounts to an actual TERMINAL. Its characteristics are what they are; you can't change them (except you can do some key mapping in X which can affect xterm). Now, besides the console and xterm, you can also access UNIX from Telnet, Rlogin, dialin, or even a hardwired connection from another computer through the serial port, or for that matter from an actual terminal (VT100, Wyse, TVI, etc). Obviously, when you come into UNIX this way -- i.e. from a remote computer or terminal, UNIX applications REALLY have no direct access to your keyboard or screen. So the question is not what termcaps you can find on Linux -- that's backwards. The question is: what termcaps can you find on the system you are connected to FROM Linux. Then you have to set your terminal type on the remote system where the application is to match the kind of terminal you have on Linux, or that you are using to access Linux from. The Linux console "emulates" The Linux Console. It is its own terminal type. Xterm -- depending on which one you have -- emulates vt100 or vt220. If you are coming into Linux remotely, then it's the kind of terminal or emulator you have locally. If the application you are accessing does not use termcap/terminfo/curses, and is truly hardwired to TVI955, then you'll need a TVI 955 or an emulator for one. Since I doubt that anything like this is available for Linux -- at least not for for free (it is possible, but not easy, to write a custom xterm program that emulates some specific kind of terminal not emulated by the xterms you normally can get) -- then you'll need to access Linux from an actual TVI terminal or from a PC with DOS or Windows that has a TVI 955 emulator. Another point about UNIX and terminal emulators that might not be obvious is that in UNIX the communications function generally resides in SOME OTHER program, such as kermit, cu, telnet, rlogin, etc. In a typical scenario, you start an xterm window, and then start (say) Kermit IN the xterm window and have it make the desired connection. Kermit provides the connection, xterm provides the emulation. (Ditto if you replace Kermit by cu, telnet, rlogin, etc.) Kermit also gives you file transfer, character-set translation, and scripting on the connection. More about Kermit at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ If you are using xterm, it is possible to change what certain keys send by using xmodmap. For example, the regular xterm probably does not support high-number function keys, like F8. So if you need to make F8 send what (say) a DEC VT220 sends, you can (a) install Xfree86 xterm, which does this already: http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/xterm/xterm.faq.html or use xmodmap to assign the appropriate sequence to the key. Remember: Kermit, cu, telnet, and friends can't even SEE the F-keys, arrow keys, Alt key, etc. This is the price we pay for the cross-platform code portability and openness of access that UNIX offers us. In Windows we can write terminal emulators because we can always get at the keyboard and screen. But Windows does not allow the other forms of access the UNIX does. So in short: no, there is no Procomm for Linux. These are tradeoffs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Sep 10 18:51:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA20091 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA24837 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 10 Sep 1999 18:39:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: TVI955 terminal emulation client for Unix (Linux) Date: 10 Sep 1999 22:39:17 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7rc1al$o82$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37D97564.CD7DB3F6@GD-CS.Com>, Scott G. Hall wrote: : davidrice@my-deja.com wrote: : Looks like Scott & I posted detailed replies at the same time... : What you need is some software that will translate between the TVI955 : personality for the second host, and the terminal type that you are using : on your UNIX host. There used to be posted a few years ago the UNIX : program "pcomm", which was an implementation of Procomm for UNIX. It : would allow any of a number of different terminal emulations, like its : PC cousin, and was written using termlib and curses so that it didn't : care what your local terminal was. : This is a possibility too but not a good one. Since pcomm is a regular UNIX application, it can't get at the keyboard and screen any more than telnet, cu, or kermit can. Being driven by curses doesn't solve all the problems. First of all, the application still can't see the keys -- only whatever escape sequences the keys might generate. But that's not good enough for key mapping. Second, curses might help in displaying the final result on the user's terminal screen, but how is the incoming stream parsed and converted into actions? I don't think curses does that, so detailed and specific emulations STILL have to be written into the application. This is pretty complicated stuff, and probably accounts for why we don't hear much about pcomm any more. Third, real terminals like the VT320, TVI955, etc, strain the curses model beyond its design. Ambitious applications written for these terminals (that use, say, protected fields, character-set switching, function-key loading, numerous report/request sequences, etc) won't be served adequately a curses-based translator. More adequate products (if any exist) are going to be commercial and expensive, since no terminal emulator for UNIX is going to get the kind of market share that allows low prices, and they're just not easy enough to write to be cranked out by volunteers -- and certainly not maintained by them over the long term. It would, indeed, be possible to write an xterm that supported a wide range of terminal types, but who's going to do it? Believe me, it is a LOT of work. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 11 16:21:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14988 for ; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA28304 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 11 Sep 1999 16:16:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 Ready for Testing Date: 11 Sep 1999 16:16:06 -0400 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7reda6$do7@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 for UNIX, VMS, Plan 9, and AOS/VS is ready for testing (other platforms should follow later): http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html The main addition since Beta.09 (and hopefully the last major addition before the final release) is Unicode support. For those who haven't heard of it, Unicode (ISO 10646) is the new Universal Character Set (UCS), which represents most of the world's scripts (Roman, Hebrew, Cyrillic, Arabic, Greek, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc) in a single (more-or-less) "flat" 16-bit encoding. To learn more about Unicode, visit: http://www.unicode.org/ Kermit protocol and software have included character-set translation capabilities since the 1980s, allowing conversion of text among the many "traditional" character sets like the ISO 8859 Latin Alphabets, PC code pages, IBM mainframe EBCDIC code pages, ISO 646 national character sets, KOI sets, JIS sets, and assorted proprietary sets (DEC, DG, Apple, NeXT, etc). With growing acceptance of Unicode, there is increasing need for importation of text in "traditional" encodings into Unicode platforms or applications, and to a lesser degree for export of Unicode text to non-Unicode environments. C-Kermit now offers these services over a wide range of platforms and communication methods. . UCS-2 and UTF-8 are now supported as transfer character sets (the small number of international standard character sets allowed "on the wire" in Kermit file transfer; each Kermit file-transfer partner converts between its local encoding and the transfer encoding) (UCS-2 and UTF-8 are two different representations of Unicode / ISO 10646). . UCS-2 and UTF-8 are now supported as file character sets. Incoming text can be stored in either UTF-8 or UCS-2, and UCS-2 or UTF-8 text can be sent with conversion to any appropriate transfer character set (including conversion of UCS-2 to UTF-8 or vice-versa). . C-Kermit's TRANSLATE command can be used to convert traditional files to UCS-2 or UTF-8 (and, to the degree possible, vice versa) on the local computer, as well as between UCS-2 and UTF-8. . C-Kermit can conduct UTF-8 terminal sessions, even when its local character set is not Unicode. (It is also programmed to do the reverse -- i.e. make connections from a UTF-8 console or Window to a non-Unicode host, but this has not been tested yet.) . C-Kermit's TRANSMIT command can perform "ASCII" (nonprotocol) uploads of text files, converting them to UTF-8 on the fly. Or it can upload UTF-8 or UCS-2, converting it to some other set, etc etc. (Obviously whenever translating from Unicode to a smaller set, Unicode characters that are not in the smaller set are lost, just like when converting from, say, Latin-1 to German ISO 646.) C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 is available at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html The Web page lists all the other new features since the previous release, 6.0, in September 1996. Beta.10 should be the last, or maybe next to last, test version before the final 7.0 release. It has already been built successfully on more than 130 different platforms (prebuilt binaries are available and are listed at the end of the Web page; if you can built others, please let me know). Until a new edition of the C-Kermit manual is published, the new features of version 7.0 are documented in the (plain text) ckermit2.txt file; Section 6.6 describes the new Unicode features. Please send any questions or report any problems to: kermit-support@columbia.edu Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University P.S. This announcement was originally posted nearly a week ago but never seemed to get out to the newsgroups. My apologies if you are seeing it twice! From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 14 15:21:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA28988 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06138 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dixonan@my-deja.com Subject: How do I pass Kermit parameters? Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:51:56 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program. Example: If the user wants info about product 18, I want Kermit to submit a program on an alpha machine which will get the info for product 18. In Visual Basic 6.0 I'm shelling the command... f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:login.ksc (d:login.ksc is the script I've written which runs on an NT box) The script runs fine I just don't know where/how to tell it to run for product 18. Thanks, Nancy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 14 15:51:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA03670 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA06611 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 15:27:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters? Date: 14 Sep 1999 19:27:20 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7rm7io$6eg$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program. : : Example: If the user wants info about product 18, I want Kermit to : submit a program on an alpha machine which will get the info for : product 18. : : In Visual Basic 6.0 I'm shelling the command... : f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:login.ksc : : (d:login.ksc is the script I've written which runs on an NT box) : : The script runs fine I just don't know where/how to tell it to run for : product 18. You will add the appropriate commands to login.ksc to acquire the information on product 18. Whatever you would do manually to find that information you would place into a script. Use INPUT and OUTPUT commands to read prompts from the host and send replies. See "Using C-Kermit" which came with K95 for details on how to write scripts to interact with the host application. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 14 18:21:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA02152 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA14955 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 18:10:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters? Date: 14 Sep 1999 22:10:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7rmh4h$ej8$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program. : : Example: If the user wants info about product 18, I want Kermit to : submit a program on an alpha machine which will get the info for : product 18. : : In Visual Basic 6.0 I'm shelling the command... : f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:login.ksc : : (d:login.ksc is the script I've written which runs on an NT box) : : The script runs fine I just don't know where/how to tell it to run for : product 18. : The methods for passing command-line arguments to a script are a bit awkward, since K95 (and C-Kermit 6.0, upon which it is based) have their own command-line arguments. All of this will be simplified in the next releases (C-Kermit 7.0 and K95 1.1.18), but for the time being, you have two choices. The first one is: k95 = ... The "=" is a K95 / C-Kermit command-line argument meaning "ignore everything that follows but put it in the command-line argument array," which is described on p.353 and p.469 of "Using C-Kermit". But then your script has to loop through the command-line argument array looking for the "=" sign, and then pick up its own arguments after the "=" sign. Example: f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 d:myscript.ksc = 18 where myscript.ksc might contain: undef product for \%i 1 \v(args)-1 1 { xif equal {\&@[\%i]} {=} { assign product \&@[\%i+1] break } } if not def product stop 1 Product number required echo product = "\m(product)" The other method would be to use the -C "commandlist" construction: f:\winappl.95\k95\k95 -C "define product 18, take d:myscript.ksc" Using either method, your script can refer to the product code as \m(product). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 14 20:51:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20702 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21346 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 14 Sep 1999 20:22:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: Q: about scripts & .kermrc Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 17:21:42 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Message-ID: <37DEE696.D7423E9@value.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu nigel@DELETE-NOSPAM.negin.nu wrote: > > I'm using a shell script called 'dialout' which sets some environment varibales > and then call a kermit script (starts with #!/usr/local/bin/kermit + ) > which will go out and find the first available modem on a modem pool. > > I also have a .kermrc file which doesn't appear to be executed when I run > dialout to eventually load kermit. > > Is there something I can put in the script to force kermit to load the > .kermrc or am I missing something? I've looked around and havn't seen > anything mentioned about it. > > C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.10, 4 Sep 1999, for IBM AIX 4.1 This behavior is intentional. See Ckermit2.txt, sec 7.19 a. Partially quoted below. If you don't need to pass command line arguments to the script, you can remove the '+' from the end of the 'kerbang' line. Otherwise, you can put a 'take' command for .kermrc in the script. a. The first line of the Kermit script must begin with "#!" immediately followed by the full pathname of the program that will execute the script (in this case, C-Kermit rather than a UNIX shell), followed by any Kermit command-line options. To suppress execution of the C-Kermit initialization file and to make command line arguments available to the script, the final option should be "+": #!/usr/local/bin/kermit + -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 15 09:22:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03718 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15403 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 09:20:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: nigel@DELETE-NOSPAM.negin.nu Subject: Re: Q: about scripts & .kermrc Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 13:20:15 GMT Organization: @Home Network To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Ahhh, ok. I got it. I did grep for kermrc after browsing the docs, I guess I should have thought of using a generic term. Anyway, I appreciate your rapid response, thanks. Regards Nigel In comp.protocols.kermit Mark Sapiro wrote: > nigel@DELETE-NOSPAM.negin.nu wrote: >> >> I'm using a shell script called 'dialout' which sets some environment varibales >> and then call a kermit script (starts with #!/usr/local/bin/kermit + ) >> which will go out and find the first available modem on a modem pool. >> >> I also have a .kermrc file which doesn't appear to be executed when I run >> dialout to eventually load kermit. >> >> Is there something I can put in the script to force kermit to load the >> .kermrc or am I missing something? I've looked around and havn't seen >> anything mentioned about it. >> >> C-Kermit 7.0.196 Beta.10, 4 Sep 1999, for IBM AIX 4.1 > This behavior is intentional. See Ckermit2.txt, sec 7.19 a. Partially > quoted below. If you don't need to pass command line arguments to the > script, you can remove the '+' from the end of the 'kerbang' line. > Otherwise, you can put a 'take' command for .kermrc in the script. > a. The first line of the Kermit script must begin with "#!" immediately > followed by the full pathname of the program that will execute the > script (in this case, C-Kermit rather than a UNIX shell), followed by > any Kermit command-line options. To suppress execution of the C-Kermit > initialization file and to make command line arguments available to the > script, the final option should be "+": > #!/usr/local/bin/kermit + > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 15 12:52:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28220 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25325 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:25:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fred smith Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters? Organization: None! Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Sep 1999 10:34:17 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: : In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : : I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program. : : : The methods for passing command-line arguments to a script are a bit : awkward, since K95 (and C-Kermit 6.0, upon which it is based) have : their own command-line arguments. All of this will be simplified in the : next releases (C-Kermit 7.0 and K95 1.1.18), but for the time being, you : have two choices. The first one is: : k95 = ... What I've done, with both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit, when I had a whole bunch of things I wanted to pass to a kermit script was to put a (on Unix) shellscript or (or DOS) batchfile wrapper around the invocation of Kermit. This shellscript/batch file takes its own parameter list and/or things from its environment, and writes a kermit script which assigns those values to kermit variables, then as the last thing it does invokes kermit with appropriate arguments to cause kermit to 'take' that kermit script. (This tends to be a 3-stage operation: 1) run the batch file, which builds the kermit script, 2) invoke kermit which runs the newly-constructed script, and 3) that on-the-fly script then tends to invoke the "real" script, the one that actually does the work, once it has completed processing the various commands created on the fly by the batch file). This shellscript/batch file, then, is invoked from within some other program that wants to do some kind of complex thing with Kermit. Fred -- ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us ---------------------------- But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us. ------------------------------- Romans 5:8 (niv) ------------------------------ From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 15 12:52:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28223 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA25737 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 15 Sep 1999 12:34:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: How do I pass Kermit parameters? Date: 15 Sep 1999 16:34:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7rohq8$p46$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , fred smith wrote: : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : In article <7rm5g7$v0a$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : : : I want to pass Kermit parameters from my Visual Basic program. : : : : : The methods for passing command-line arguments to a script are a bit : : awkward, since K95 (and C-Kermit 6.0, upon which it is based) have : : their own command-line arguments. All of this will be simplified in the : : next releases (C-Kermit 7.0 and K95 1.1.18), but for the time being, you : : have two choices. The first one is: : : : k95 = ... : : : What I've done, with both C-Kermit and MS-Kermit, when I had a whole : bunch of things I wanted to pass to a kermit script was to put a (on : Unix) shellscript or (or DOS) batchfile wrapper around the invocation of : Kermit. This shellscript/batch file takes its own parameter list and/or : things from its environment, and writes a kermit script which assigns : those values to kermit variables, then as the last thing it does invokes : kermit with appropriate arguments to cause kermit to 'take' that kermit : script. (This tends to be a 3-stage operation: 1) run the batch file, : which builds the kermit script, 2) invoke kermit which runs the : newly-constructed script, and 3) that on-the-fly script then tends to : invoke the "real" script, the one that actually does the work, once it : has completed processing the various commands created on the fly by the : batch file). This shellscript/batch file, then, is invoked from within : some other program that wants to do some kind of complex thing with : Kermit. : Like I said, (more than) a bit awkward! :-) In the new releases, you'll be able to pass command-line arguments directly to the script and refer to them directly within the script. You can see lots of examples in the C-Kermit/K95 script library at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html Also, the new versions let you have more than 10 arguments on the command line. (And inq UNIX, you can even designate Kermit as the "shell" to execute a script, so you can run a Kermit script exactly the same way you would run a shell script.) (We are working hard on the new releases and will release them as soon as they are ready.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 18 14:19:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25940 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23323 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:06:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Enoch Wu Subject: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:24:09 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi, After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back to my login shell. At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly. What went wrong ? Regards, Enoch Wu Platform Info: UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows. C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 18 14:19:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA25942 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA23820 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:18:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Enoch Wu Subject: Re: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10 Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 17:35:42 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7s0ihe$al0$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, OOPS -- I meant to write "I got a '>' for each key (not command) I type on the keyboard." Enoch Wu wrote: > Hi, > > After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back to > my login shell. At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on > the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly. > > What went wrong ? > > Regards, > Enoch Wu > Platform Info: UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows. > C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself. > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Sat Sep 18 14:49:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA03036 for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA25345 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 14:47:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10 Date: 18 Sep 1999 18:47:30 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7s0mo2$onv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Enoch Wu wrote: : After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back to : my login shell. At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on : the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly. : : What went wrong ? : : Platform Info: UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows. : C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself. : You tried to run software for UNIX on Windows. There is absolutely no support for this. If it works you are very lucky. If it doesn't work, the only advice you'll get from us is to use the software that we have spent five years developing for your Windows platform. This we can and do support. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 20 12:50:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA12695 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA19897 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:40:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37E6520D.42C0C9EE@omegafilters.com> From: Michael Newton Subject: X.25 7E1, help? Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:26:05 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am trying to use C-Kermit to communicate to a point-of-sale host. I am using Comtrol Rocketmodems, multimodem cards that use Rockwell chipsets. This is the extent of the information I have on the communications spec: Transmission line speed: 200 BPS/1200 BPS, Async Data formats: 7 bit, ASCII, even parity, 1 stop bit Modulation: FSK carrier frequency - 1070/1270 Hz Modem: Compatible with Bell 103/212a in originate mode, no error correction. The modem documentation speaks of the command ATB1 - "Choose Bell212A connection at 1200 bps." I can't find any more on this command, but it appears to have the effect of setting the modem up with no error-correction or compression, which seems to be what I want. So I do this in Kermit: set modem hayes-1200 set parity even set serial 7e1 set modem command init-string ATB1 X4\{13} set line /dev/ttyX set speed 1200 I'd hope this would set things up properly, with the X4 in there so i can get error reporting (this is driven by an Expect script). I am told that I am dialing into a UUNet X.25 Cloud. What I am told to expect is an ENQ control character, after which I send my message, which contains some alphanumerics and some other control characters, I get something similar back, I send an ACK, get back an EOT, and we hang up. The Expect/Kermit arrangment seems to be catching/sending control characters properly, as far as I can determine so far. However, there is something wrong, as I cannot seem to get through the X.25 to the host. I dial, I get CONNECT 1200, i get a few characters, one of which seems to be an ENQ, then it hangs up on me immediately. Any insight is appreciated! Thanks, Michael From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 20 13:20:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19298 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA21274 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:02:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: X.25 7E1, help? Date: 20 Sep 1999 17:02:56 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7s5pc0$koo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37E6520D.42C0C9EE@omegafilters.com>, Michael Newton wrote: : I am trying to use C-Kermit to communicate to a point-of-sale host. I am : using Comtrol Rocketmodems, multimodem cards that use Rockwell chipsets. : We received your message by e-mail and replied to it directly before your posting appeared. Normally if you want tech support, you should send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu, and we'll answer quickly. If we can't help you, the newsgroup would be a recourse. Please don't send the same help request to both the newsgroup and the email address -- one or the other will do just fine. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 20 13:20:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA19315 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA20771 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler) Subject: Updated installation procedure for CMS Kermit Date: 20 Sep 1999 16:53:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7s5opu$img$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu The installation procedure for CMS Kermit-370, IKCINS EXEC contained in the file IKCKER INS, has been updated to reflect the availability of the "high level" assembler with recent releases of VM. Now, if the EXEC does not find HASM on the system, it looks for ASMA90 and ASMAHL and uses the first one found as the default assembler for Kermit. As before, the installer may override the default with any desired assembler during installation. At the same time, the installation procedure no longer treats the absence of HASM as a signal for the 370-mode-only option that was offered with CMS release 7. This update does not make any changes in Kermit itself -- only in the automated installation procedure. Other variants of Kermit-370 (such as TSO) are not affected. The revised file, like the previous version, is found in the "b" area of Kermit distribution in all the usual places: ftp from kermit.columbia.edu, email from kermsrv@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu, tape, etc. John Chandler pepmnt@watsun.columbia.edu From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 20 23:50:13 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10404 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA24581 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:20:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Enoch Wu Subject: Re: Screen echo on closing connection - C-Kermit7 b10 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:11:58 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Share what you know. Learn what you don't. Message-ID: <7s6t1n$hmt$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7s0mo2$onv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <7s0hrh$a7g$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Enoch Wu wrote: > : After closing modem connection and exiting out of Kermit, I was back to > : my login shell. At this point, I got ">" for each command I type on > : the keyboard. However, commands got executed correctly. > : > : What went wrong ? > : > : Platform Info: UWIN 2.0 Unix for Windows. > : C-Kermit 7.0 beta10, compiled using GCC 2.95, by myself. > : > You tried to run software for UNIX on Windows. There is absolutely no > support for this. If it works you are very lucky. If it doesn't work, the > only advice you'll get from us is to use the software that we have spent > five years developing for your Windows platform. This we can and do support. > > - Frank > I have not been quite so lucky. It was pretty rough to get it compiled. It was even harder to get it to communicate with the COM ports. For a price of $50+, I'd go with the Windows version. That's a real bargain. Now let me go back to doing engineering. Let the pro do the software programming. Thanks for your support. - EW Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Share what you know. Learn what you don't. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 21 08:50:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05783 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA18010 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:33:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "A. Moksel AG" Subject: Kermit on SCO OS 5.0.5 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 14:06:59 +0200 Organization: T-Online Message-ID: <37E774E3.C33EB50E@t-online.de> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi, I have the following problems on SCO OS 5.0.5. I log in from one system (Windows, Unix, etc using Kermit, Hyperterm, etc) into a SCO system via a modem connection (getty). Now I would transfer a file, I call Kermit, do a send file.txt. At this point I get a core from the kermit on the SCO System. But when I dial out from this machine into another system everything works fine. I tried this with a V6 and the new V7 beta Version of kermit. Whats wrong here???? regards, S. Nisslbeck. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 21 09:50:18 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA17771 for ; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21507 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:34:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit on SCO OS 5.0.5 Date: 21 Sep 1999 13:34:27 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7s81h3$l01$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37E774E3.C33EB50E@t-online.de>, A. Moksel AG wrote: : I have the following problems on SCO OS 5.0.5. I log in from one system : (Windows, Unix, etc using Kermit, Hyperterm, etc) into a SCO system via a : modem connection (getty). Now I would transfer a file, I call Kermit, do : a send file.txt. At this point I get a core from the kermit on the SCO : System. But when I dial out from this machine into another system : everything works fine. I tried this with a V6 and the new V7 beta Version : of kermit. : : Whats wrong here???? : Please be specific about versions. Which V7 Beta version? Did you get a prebuilt binary from our website or did you build from source? If so, which compiler did you use? If you got a prebuilt binary, did you get the right one? That is, the one that was built on and for SCO 5.0.5? Can you get a traceback from the core file? - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 23 08:50:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA00857 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:50:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA29515 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:34:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: djprice@mindspring.com (David Price) Subject: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:34:10 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system without much success. The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech. C-kermit is version 6.0.192. The problem is as follows: - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit. - I enter the following command within kermit: !sz -v file_to_send /dev/cua/b - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times: **B0100000000027fed4 - Finally, the following is echoed back: sz: timeout waiting for ZRINIT. - This same thing happens if I enter the same sz command from the shell once connected (without the ! of course). I have made no modifications to the serial port via the Solaris admintool or pmadm. Any help or insight on this would be appreciated. From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 23 11:50:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA26831 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA09774 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:45:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris Date: 23 Sep 1999 15:45:16 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7sdhuc$9hc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>, David Price wrote: : I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system : without much success. The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech. : C-kermit is version 6.0.192. The problem is as follows: : : - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit. : - I enter the following command within kermit: : !sz -v file_to_send /dev/cua/b : - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times: : **B0100000000027fed4 : This indicates that your version of sz does not work on standard i/o and therefore cannot be redirected to Kermit's communications connection. : - Finally, the following is echoed back: : sz: timeout waiting for ZRINIT. : - This same thing happens if I enter the same sz command from the : shell once connected (without the ! of course). : : I have made no modifications to the serial port via the Solaris : admintool or pmadm. : : Any help or insight on this would be appreciated. : Read any of: 1. Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit": Using External Protocols. 2. Item 38 of the Kermit FAQ: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 23 15:50:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA25008 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA22933 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:49:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: djprice@mindspring.com (David Price) Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 19:28:40 GMT Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Message-ID: <37ea7bcf.200731823@news.mindspring.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: >In article <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>, >David Price wrote: >: I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system >: without much success. The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech. >: C-kermit is version 6.0.192. The problem is as follows: >: >: - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit. >: - I enter the following command within kermit: >: !sz -v file_to_send /dev/cua/b >: - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times: >: **B0100000000027fed4 >: >This indicates that your version of sz does not work on standard i/o >and therefore cannot be redirected to Kermit's communications connection. > >: - Finally, the following is echoed back: >: sz: timeout waiting for ZRINIT. >: - This same thing happens if I enter the same sz command from the >: shell once connected (without the ! of course). >: >: I have made no modifications to the serial port via the Solaris >: admintool or pmadm. >: >: Any help or insight on this would be appreciated. >: >Read any of: > > 1. Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit": Using External Protocols. > > 2. Item 38 of the Kermit FAQ: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt > >- Frank Frank, Thanks for the pointers. I have purchased your "Using C-Kermit" and have found it an extremely useful and well written book. Your item 38 in the Kermit FAQ has me somewhat confused. In particular, choice 3 to "License modern versions .... from Omen" - do you mean simply to download the lastest version on Omen's web site or is there some other version that must be purchased? I have heard this same thing from others as well from others. Some have recommended crzsz (I did try this and did not have any success). The above problem appears to have had nothing to do with Kermit and sz - it was a basic scripting issue on Solaris. I say "appears" because I did see something going out the modem as well as in the /tmp/szlog but have not yet been able to contact the remote technical contact to verify the condition of the file I send. The following redirection metacharacters solved the above problem: !sz -v file_to_send /dev/cua/b 2>&1 From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 23 16:20:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA01274 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA23389 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:00:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris Date: 23 Sep 1999 20:00:00 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7se0s0$mqr$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37ea7bcf.200731823@news.mindspring.com>, David Price wrote: [asking about using rz/sz as an external protocol to C-Kermit...] : fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: : > : >Read any of: : > : > 1. Chapter 14 of "Using C-Kermit": Using External Protocols. : > : > 2. Item 38 of the Kermit FAQ: : > : > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html : > ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt : : Thanks for the pointers. I have purchased your "Using C-Kermit" and : have found it an extremely useful and well written book. : : Your item 38 in the Kermit FAQ has me somewhat confused. In : particular, choice 3 to "License modern versions .... from Omen" - do : you mean simply to download the lastest version on Omen's web site or : is there some other version that must be purchased? I have heard this : same thing from others as well from others. Some have recommended : crzsz (I did try this and did not have any success). : I don't know. Omen Technology is its own company with its own policies and products. : The above problem appears to have had nothing to do with Kermit and sz : - it was a basic scripting issue on Solaris. I say "appears" because : I did see something going out the modem as well as in the /tmp/szlog : but have not yet been able to contact the remote technical contact to : verify the condition of the file I send. The following redirection : metacharacters solved the above problem: : : !sz -v file_to_send /dev/cua/b 2>&1 : If your sz program transfers files on standard input and standard output, it can be redirected this way, or for that matter treated as an external protocol by C-Kermit as described in Chapter 14 of the manual, in which case you need only: set protocol zmodem and then use regular file-transfer commands like SEND, etc. Whether your sz program uses stdio is an issue you'll need resolve with the supplier of your sz program. I might suggest that if you could Kermit protocol instead of Zmodem in this sitation, your task would be much simplified. However, I can't speak for Omen or its products. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 27 09:21:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA21504 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15956 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:11:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: no_spam@adams.patriot.net () Subject: CLEAR failure? Date: Mon, 27 Sep 1999 13:10:13 GMT Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu This loop in my MS-Kermit 3.15 dialing script appears to be infinite. Is there something I'm missing about the CLEAR and REINPUT commands? I would expect REINPUT 0 to fail after the input buffer has been cleared. clear :clear_loop reinput 0 CARRIER if failure forward clear_exit echo DEBUG: Buffer did not clear clear pause 1 if failure forward user_cancelled goto clear_loop :clear_exit Thanks, David Winfrey first_initial L last_initial at patriot dot net From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 27 09:51:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA29402 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA16981 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 09:32:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: CLEAR failure? Date: 27 Sep 1999 13:32:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7snrma$gii$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , wrote: : This loop in my MS-Kermit 3.15 dialing script appears to be : infinite. Is there something I'm missing about the CLEAR and : REINPUT commands? I would expect REINPUT 0 to fail : after the input buffer has been cleared. : : clear : :clear_loop : reinput 0 CARRIER : if failure forward clear_exit : echo DEBUG: Buffer did not clear : clear : pause 1 : if failure forward user_cancelled : goto clear_loop : :clear_exit : MS-DOS Kermit and C-Kermit/K95 differ somewhat in this area and quite honestly, I'm not sure what CLEAR does in MS-DOS Kermit when the subsequent keyword is omitted (the relevant options in this case are are INPUT-BUFFER, DEVICE-BUFFER, or BOTH). In any case, the addition of MINPUT makes REINPUT pretty much superfluous. See the sample scripts at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskscripts.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Sep 27 19:51:26 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA25329 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA20254 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 27 Sep 1999 19:23:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: CLEAR failure? Message-ID: Date: 27 Sep 99 10:11:45 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , no_spam@adams.patriot.net () writes: > This loop in my MS-Kermit 3.15 dialing script appears to be > infinite. Is there something I'm missing about the CLEAR and > REINPUT commands? I would expect REINPUT 0 to fail > after the input buffer has been cleared. > > clear > :clear_loop > reinput 0 CARRIER > if failure forward clear_exit > echo DEBUG: Buffer did not clear > clear > pause 1 > if failure forward user_cancelled > goto clear_loop > :clear_exit > > Thanks, > > David Winfrey --------- The CLEAR command removes existing material. More importantly REINPUT looks at existing material and there is no command above to get fresh material. Thus a failure of REINPUT will persist. The better approach would be to use INPUT rather than REINPUT. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Tue Sep 28 23:21:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26291 for ; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA13084 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 23:06:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: tim@maths.tcd.ie (Timothy Murphy) Subject: (Q) Double linefeed Date: 29 Sep 1999 03:59:12 +0100 Organization: Dept. of Maths, Trinity College, Dublin, Ireland. Message-ID: <7srva0$fjm$1@boole.maths.tcd.ie> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am linking from one unix system to another, using "kermit -j beta:7001" to go through an annex terminal server (called beta) to which the modem is attached. It works quite well, except that when I press ENTER I get 2 linefeeds on the remote machine. When I press ^J I get just one. Is this something I could correct with kermit? Or is it a function of the terminal server? Any suggestions or advice gratefully received. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 29 01:51:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA09050 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA20964 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:41:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: (Q) Double linefeed Date: 29 Sep 1999 05:41:13 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ss8pp$ket$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7srva0$fjm$1@boole.maths.tcd.ie>, Timothy Murphy wrote: : I am linking from one unix system to another, : using "kermit -j beta:7001" : to go through an annex terminal server (called beta) : to which the modem is attached. : It works quite well, : except that when I press ENTER I get 2 linefeeds on the remote machine. : When I press ^J I get just one. : Is this something I could correct with kermit? : Or is it a function of the terminal server? : : Any suggestions or advice gratefully received. Try SET TELNET NEWLINE NVT OFF Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 29 09:21:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA12516 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA29268 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:00:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "quertyq@hotmail.com" Subject: K95 & Polling script Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 12:45:52 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Message-ID: <7st1ls$vju$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Good Morning: I am running Kermit 95 ver 1.1.17, and I just noticed on the kermit web site that the "set file incomplete discard" and the "set server idle timeout" functions may not be functional or conditionally functional until the next version. I am writing a polling program, so these 2 functions are quite important to the program. In the instance of "set server idle timeout", it was recommended to "set reliable off". What does that do to the program? ( I could not find that setting anywhere in the manual ) Is there any news when that new version or patch may be? Is this just Kermit 95 that is affected ( as opposed to C-Kermit running on a UN*X platform )? Thanks! Matt Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 29 09:51:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20190 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA01028 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:29:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: K95 & Polling script Date: 29 Sep 1999 13:29:46 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7st48a$102$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7st1ls$vju$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, quertyq@hotmail.com wrote: : Good Morning: : : I am running Kermit 95 ver 1.1.17, and I just noticed on the kermit : web site that the "set file incomplete discard" and the : "set server idle timeout" functions may not be functional or : conditionally functional until the next version. As a registered user you may request access to beta builds that include fixes to bugs that interfere with your use of the program. : I am writing a polling program, so these 2 functions are quite : important to the program. In the instance of "set server idle : timeout", it was recommended to "set reliable off". What does that : do to the program? ( I could not find that setting anywhere in the : manual ) Information on SET RELIABLE and Kermit Protocol Streaming mode is available in the "Updates to Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition" that ships on disk with Kermit 95. Streaming mode improves performance by removing the ability to retransmit a Kermit packet if it has been damaged. This mode can only be used successfully if the underlying transport mechanism is reliable (it won't loss or re-order data). TCP/IP is such a transport layer. When streaming is used in 1.1.17 all timeouts are disabled therefore the IDLE-TIMEOUT cannot be detected. Under what circumstances are you using a SERVER idle timeout on a TCP/IP connection? If you are concerned about the SET FILE INCOMPLETE DISCARD bug with its interaction with SET CARRIER-WATCH then you are not using TCP/IP connections. : Is there any news when that new version or patch may be? The next version of Kermit 95 will not be released until after C-Kermit 7.0 is finalized. We do not have additional information beyond that. : Is this just Kermit 95 that is affected ( as opposed to C-Kermit : running on a UN*X platform )? The current C-Kermit 7.0 Beta does not suffer from either of these bugs. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 29 17:51:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA09117 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00333 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:33:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Rolin Meyer" Subject: Single character translation during "log session" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:02:17 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am currently running C-Kermit 6.0.192 for IRIX 6.X and am using "log session" to capture remote data to file, then decode it. I need to translate incoming ASCII 000 (null) to ASCII 024 ($) in order to hold the character placement and not corrupt the decoding process. I have the "Using C-Kermit" manual but only find character set translation. Translating on the file after the capture is too late, the null placement is already lost. Any help is appreciated! From news@columbia.edu Wed Sep 29 18:21:50 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA14788 for ; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA01454 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:53:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Single character translation during "log session" Date: 29 Sep 1999 21:53:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7su1o7$1db$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Rolin Meyer wrote: : I am currently running C-Kermit 6.0.192 for IRIX 6.X and am using "log : session" to capture remote data to file, then decode it. I need to : translate incoming ASCII 000 (null) to ASCII 024 ($) in order to hold the : character placement and not corrupt the decoding process. I have the "Using : C-Kermit" manual but only find character set translation. Translating on : the file after the capture is too late, the null placement is already lost. : Any help is appreciated! : Use: SET SESSION-LOG BINARY LOG SESSION This preserves the NULs. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 30 20:22:02 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA29358 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21121 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:15:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "obesatl" Subject: Trouble sending file using CLEO Kermit Protocol to a C-Kermit Host... Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:04:10 -0400 Organization: National Data Corporation Message-ID: <7t0tsi$17q3$1@snoopy.ndcorp.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello - I am running CLEO A+ on a DEC Alpha connecting to a MVS system using C-Kermit. Each time that I try sending a zipped file, I receive the following message: "Bad packet count or chksum" and "Remote terminated with error". If I send the file unzipped, the transmission succeeds. Any ideas what may be causing this problem. I have no problems at all using Procomm Plus version 2.11. Any suggestions would be appreciated... Thanks, Kent. kentoberbeck@yahoo.com From news@columbia.edu Thu Sep 30 20:52:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA03563 for ; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA21426 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 30 Sep 1999 20:23:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Trouble sending file using CLEO Kermit Protocol to a C-Kermit Host... Date: 1 Oct 1999 00:23:23 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7t0utr$ktf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7t0tsi$17q3$1@snoopy.ndcorp.com>, obesatl wrote: : I am running CLEO A+ on a DEC Alpha... : And the Alpha is running what operating system? VMS? OSF/1? Linux? Windows NT? Digital/Tru64 Unix? ... : ... connecting to a MVS system using C-Kermit. : Do you really mean MVS? Or do you mean VMS? There is no straightforward way to make a connection to an IBM mainframe with C-Kermit, except if the mainframe allows linemode sessions. : Each time that I try sending a zipped file, I receive the : following message: "Bad packet count or chksum" and "Remote terminated with : error". If I send the file unzipped, the transmission succeeds. Any ideas : what may be causing this problem. I have no problems at all using Procomm : Plus version 2.11. Any suggestions would be appreciated... : Shot in the dark: Try telling Kermit to "set parity space". If that doesn't do it, please specify what software and version you have on each end of the connection, and what kind of connection it is. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 1 01:22:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA28270 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:22:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA05093 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 01:16:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: Sample Scripts Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 22:16:13 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Message-ID: <37F4439C.A84E0D74@value.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu "B. Shervey" wrote: > > I need reference material on creating Kermit scripts (any sample will do). > ftp to kermit.columbia.edu doesn't work. > > Rookie! See http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/scriptlib.html (Also, comp.protocols.kermit is obsolete, use comp.protocols.kermit.misc instead.) -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 1 10:22:10 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA29709 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA17444 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 10:21:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 for OpenStep and/or Mac OS X Date: 1 Oct 1999 14:21:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7t2g1b$h11$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu C-Kermit software (serial communications, Telnet, Rlogin, terminal connection, file transfer, scripting, paging, character-set translation) is due for a major new release; version 7.0 is in the late stages of Beta testing: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html Although it has been built and tested on NeXTSTEP 3.1 thru 3.3, so far it has not been exposed to the newer NeXTSTEP offspring: OpenStep, OS X, Rhapsody. Anyone who would be interested in trying to build C-Kermit on any of these, please let me know. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 1 11:52:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA21334 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA22152 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:48:52 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Tim O'Shea" Subject: Modem Reset Date: Fri, 1 Oct 1999 16:01:44 +0100 Message-ID: <37f4ccff.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu When using the alphapage script to send messages to a TAP Pager, the modem is either not reset, or is reset incorrectly, specifically, it won't allow dial-in operations after sending the pager message. How do I amend the alphapage script to perform a reset to stored profile 0 after the message has been sent? -- Tim O'Shea Systems Administrator - Managed Services Lynx Financial Systems (UK) Limited E-mail: timos@lfs.co.uk From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 1 12:22:11 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA26809 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA23796 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 12:18:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Modem Reset Date: 1 Oct 1999 16:18:40 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7t2mt0$n7h$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37f4ccff.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>, Tim O'Shea wrote: : When using the alphapage script to send messages to a TAP Pager, the : modem is either not reset, or is reset incorrectly, specifically, it : won't allow dial-in operations after sending the pager message. How do : I amend the alphapage script to perform a reset to stored profile 0 after : the message has been sent? : You are doing this on Unix? As you can guess, bidirectional ttys are a horrible nightmare in Unix. Each Unix platform handles them differently, if at all, and the modem must be configured with extreme care to (inter alia) automatically restore some custom preloaded profile from NVRAM whenever a call hangs up. And then getty (mgetty, uugetty, etc etc blah blah) is supposed to notice when this happens and seize control of the modem once again. The dialout program should not need to know anything about this, and how could it? Setups like this are always site-specific, platform- specific, and modem-specific. So the real answer is to look elsewhere: in the modem configuration and in the platform's configuration for the device. Of course you can always change the script to do something like: set carrier-watch off output AT&F0S0=1\13 or somesuch after hanging up the call, but that will break if the modem changes. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 1 13:52:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16414 for ; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id NAA27971 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 1 Oct 1999 13:34:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "art1958" Subject: Re: Modem Reset Message-ID: Date: Fri, 01 Oct 1999 17:32:14 GMT Organization: Talkway, Inc. To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu You may wish to set the modem register &D3 which will reset the modem to stored settings whenever DTR is dropped such as when C-Kermit releases the tty or a dial in/out connection finishes. For Rockwell-v34 based modems on SCO UNIX it works well. YMMV On 1 Oct 1999 16:18:40 GMT fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In article <37f4ccff.0@nnrp1.news.uk.psi.net>, > Tim O'Shea wrote: > : When using the alphapage script to send messages to a TAP Pager, the > : modem is either not reset, or is reset incorrectly, specifically, it > : won't allow dial-in operations after sending the pager message. How do > : I amend the alphapage script to perform a reset to stored profile 0 after > : the message has been sent? > : > You are doing this on Unix? As you can guess, bidirectional ttys are a > horrible nightmare in Unix. Each Unix platform handles them differently, > if at all, and the modem must be configured with extreme care to (inter > alia) automatically restore some custom preloaded profile from NVRAM > whenever a call hangs up. And then getty (mgetty, uugetty, etc etc blah > blah) is supposed to notice when this happens and seize control of the > modem once again. The dialout program should not need to know anything > about this, and how could it? Setups like this are always site-specific, > platform- specific, and modem-specific. > > So the real answer is to look elsewhere: in the modem configuration and in > the platform's configuration for the device. > > Of course you can always change the script to do something like: > > set carrier-watch off > output AT&F0S0=1\13 > > or somesuch after hanging up the call, but that will break if the modem > changes. > > - Frank -- Posted via Talkway - http://www.talkway.com Exchange ideas on practically anything (tm). From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 2 17:52:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA21927 for ; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA16608 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 2 Oct 1999 17:49:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 11:48:20 -0700 From: Message-ID: Subject: C-kermit PPP dialing Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu (Probably best to also email any followup to this to me direct, as well as posting it, since I read c.p.k.m sporadicly lately.) This may be old hat, but I haven't seen anything similar in the docs spelled out explicitly, so here....... There's some mention of using C-Kermit, with the redirect command, as a PPP dialer in the doc files for recent versions, but below is the method I've been using for a couple of months with Debian Linux 2.1. The 'unused' parts of C-Kermit probably get swapped out to disk while tied up with the redirect command, but this alternate method works for me and this question can't come up. I had this idea after looking at the docs on how to use external file transfer protocols, and the variable \v(ttyfd). Also, maybe this works because PPP is ignoring the lock files, (maybe I don't understand them completely). Anyway, here's the script: # C-Kermit PPPd dialer script. askq \%a {Password: } mydial input 30 Login: output \13 input 30 ssword: output \%a\13 # redirect pppd # quit run nohup pppd <&\v(ttyfd) >&\v(ttyfd) & pause 7 run ifconfig # hangup # works OK if hangup here Regards, Dallas E. Legan II / dallasii@kincyb.com / leganii@surfree.com From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 3 06:52:35 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA24727 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 06:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA19085 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 06:29:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37F72FD7.46BD5642@pandora.be> From: David Stes Organization: http://users.pandora.be/stes Subject: no dialtone problem Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 12:28:39 +0200 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello, My cable television company is also offering me telephone service. They installed a Motorola modem and a telephone set (connected to the modem) for this (in addition to a different cable modem for internet service). I was trying to dial out now over that telephone line. I do : set line /dev/ttyS1 set speed 19200 set modem type zoom dial which results in the Motorola telephone<->cable modem doing two clicks, short after another, and then I get a no dial tone. I've tried dialing out with set dial ignore-dialtone but this makes no difference. I've tried both pulse and tone dialing. With the telephone set on the other hand, that they installed for me, when the telephone goes off the hook, I can hear the Motorola doing only single click (and then indeed, I do hear a dialtone). So setup is : cable <-> motorola modem <-> zoom pcmcia modem <-> computer Any suggestions on what commands I could issue to kermit to make this work ? I've been thinking that maybe I should somehow connect the motorola modem directly to my computer, but it only has "power", "coax" and "telephone RJ-11" connectors, it seems. Sorry, I have no idea what type of modem etc. this is. Their support site has no info on this. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 3 07:52:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28779 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA23045 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:51:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37F74264.A09AFB11@pandora.be> From: David Stes Organization: http://users.pandora.be/stes Subject: Re: no dialtone problem Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 13:47:48 +0200 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu David Stes wrote: > > Hello, > > My cable television company is also offering me telephone service. They > ... > Any suggestions on what commands I could issue to kermit to make this > work ? Never mind. It looks like I now have no dialtone at all any more. Also not with my telephone. I used to have a tone with telephone, but not with modem ... but now it's completely messed up. Anyway, it's not a kermit issue. Sorry for posting this. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 3 07:52:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id HAA28781 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id HAA22827 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 07:47:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: no dialtone problem Date: 3 Oct 1999 11:47:25 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7t7fod$m98$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37F72FD7.46BD5642@pandora.be>, David Stes wrote: : : Hello, : : My cable television company is also offering me telephone service. They : installed a Motorola modem and a telephone set (connected to the modem) : for this (in addition to a different cable modem for internet service). : : I was trying to dial out now over that telephone line. : : I do : : : set line /dev/ttyS1 : set speed 19200 : set modem type zoom : dial : : : : Sorry, I have no idea what type of modem etc. this is. Their support : site has no info on this. If you have no idea what type of modem it is, why are you using modem type 'zoom'? You will need to find out what kind of modem it is in order to be able to issue the correct commands to the modem to ignore dialtone. Try using ATI0 to ATI12 to see what you can find out. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 3 09:22:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA03988 for ; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 09:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA25569 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 3 Oct 1999 08:55:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37F7511E.F6A3B31E@pandora.be> From: David Stes Organization: http://users.pandora.be/stes Subject: Re: no dialtone problem Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 14:50:38 +0200 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Jeffrey Altman wrote: > > If you have no idea what type of modem it is, why are you using > modem type 'zoom'? The pcmcia modem is indeed a zoom 56k modem. I'm using it successfully with Belgacom (traditional telephone company in Belgium). I just can't use it with Telenet (new telephone company here). > You will need to find out what kind of modem it is in order to be able > to issue the correct commands to the modem to ignore dialtone. > Try using ATI0 to ATI12 to see what you can find out. It is a zoom pc-card modem ... As I said, I have a zoom modem connected to this "cable <-> telephone modem" that the cable company (telenet) installed. It's a bit complicated: the cable company installed two "modems" (1) a modem for cable <-> ethernet, but that has nothing to do with the current discussion, then there is (2) a modem for cable <-> telephone and (3) there's my regular zoom modem (in my computer). I thought I could connect (3) to (2) to make a call (to a BBS). This may sound silly at first; you may say, why not using modem (1) for internet access. That's exactly what I'm doing now (via ethernet connected to modem (1)). But to dial-in into services that are not on the internet, but do have a telephone number that I can dial to, I still need to go over a telephone line. Sorry if it all doesn't make sense ... From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 4 11:22:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17424 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01022 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:04:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" Subject: carrier-watch. How do I set it off??? Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 10:10:58 -0400 Organization: Nortel Message-ID: <37F8B572.F0134ECF@americasm01.nt.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am running a script which starts kermit as follows: kermit -C "log session $2, c, exit" -l /dev/$1 -b 9600 With kermt 7.0 beta (i am running Linux 6.0) it barks about the "carrier" and I have to set it "OFF" Yes I am just talking to a device ( not a modem) via TTYS1. So am looking for a command-line option to add to the above kermit call Thanks for any help Clint From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 4 12:22:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA29991 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 12:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA04230 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 11:57:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: carrier-watch. How do I set it off??? Date: 4 Oct 1999 15:57:55 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7taiq3$442$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37F8B572.F0134ECF@americasm01.nt.com>, Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) wrote: : I am running a script which starts kermit as follows: : : kermit -C "log session $2, c, exit" -l /dev/$1 -b 9600 : : With kermt 7.0 beta (i am running Linux 6.0) it barks about the : "carrier" and I have to set it "OFF" : Yes I am just talking to a device ( not a modem) via TTYS1. : So am looking for a command-line option to add to the above kermit call : We don't have command-line options that correspond to every command and setting. That's what the -C "commandlist" escape clause is for: kermit -C "set car of, set lin /dev/$1, set sp 9600, l s $2, c, ex" (Minimal abbreviations are used to keep the line length down.) The trick is to put everything in the command list, because when you mix a command list with command-line options, the order of execution might not be what you expect (see "Using C-Kermit", pp.461-462, for details). C-Kermit 7.0 supports a new execution method, called the "kerbang" script, in which Kermit scripts can be run as if they were shell scripts (or Perl scripts, etc), with arguments passed on the command line. Here is a sample, which illustrates how to add robustness (arguments are checked for, errors are handled, etc): #!/usr/local/bin/wermit + if not def \%1 exit 1 \%0: Device name required if not def \%2 exit 1 \%0: Logfile name required log session \%2 if fail exit 1 Can't open logfile \%2 set modem type none set carrier-watch off set line /dev/\%1 if fail exit 1 Can't open /dev/\%1 set speed 9600 connect exit Save it as "makeaconnection" and then you can: $ makeaconnection ttyS0 foo.log For details, plus lots of examples of kerbang scripts, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 4 16:52:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA08730 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA19051 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 16:33:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" Subject: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 15:51:35 -0400 Organization: Nortel Message-ID: <37F90546.79C759A6@americasm01.nt.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am running kermit 7.0 beta on linux 6.0 The problem is cut & paste (in the kermit window) does not work when I am running kermit. Kermit is talking thru ttyS3 to a RS232 device ( not a modem) If on the LINUX prompt I highlight text it pastes in NO problem. But in the Kermit window it pastes in only part of the string (first 2 char and last char most of the time) any comments? Thanks in advance Clint Yoner From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 4 17:22:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA16334 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA21533 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 17:13:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: 4 Oct 1999 21:13:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tb59m$l0q$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37F90546.79C759A6@americasm01.nt.com>, Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) wrote: : : I am running kermit 7.0 beta on linux 6.0 : The problem is cut & paste (in the kermit window) does not work when I : am running kermit. : Kermit is talking thru ttyS3 to a RS232 device ( not a modem) : If on the LINUX prompt I highlight text it pastes in NO problem. : But in the Kermit window it pastes in only part of the string (first 2 : char and last char most of the time) : There's no such thing as a Kermit window. Kermit is a plain old regular standard-in/standard-out application, which you run in some kind of window -- xterm, console, whatever. Kermit itself knows nothing about copying and pasting -- this is a function of the window, completely transparent to and independent of Kermit. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 4 22:52:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA04032 for ; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA09294 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 4 Oct 1999 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs) Subject: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use? Date: 5 Oct 1999 02:32:31 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <7tbnvv$46k@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Because the fellow who kept a recent and correctly-compiled version of kermit has evidently abandoned using netcom, there remains only a half-working version -- one that downloads ok, but gets errors on uploading. Mindspring (bought netcom) is saying that one of us USERS has to put up a kermit, it we want one. Well, they allow us only 5mb of disk; over that, they CHARGE. One person from mindspring was saying that their hands were tied because your free-use license disallowed any "commercial" use -- including, they inferred, as an ISP, for their customers. QUESTION: just what IS the situation? And, if there is a charge for "commercial" use (like by mindspring), HOW MUCH of a charge is it? Thanks! David Combs PS: that KERMIT is a WONDERFUL package indeed! esp with all the error-catching it does, and the ability to resume a download after a crashed session, and still lose nothing. From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 02:52:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA21442 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id CAA19626 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 02:25:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Bob McNamara Subject: Re: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use? Date: Mon, 04 Oct 1999 23:19:28 -0700 Organization: MindSpring Enterprises Inc./Netcom Transition Team Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu We continue to supply space for the NUGLOPS files. I'd imagine the best place for this would be right in with those. Bob On 5 Oct 1999 02:32:31 GMT, dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs) wrote: :>Because the fellow who kept a recent and correctly-compiled :>version of kermit has evidently abandoned using netcom, :>there remains only a half-working version -- one that :>downloads ok, but gets errors on uploading. :> :>Mindspring (bought netcom) is saying that one of us :>USERS has to put up a kermit, it we want one. :> :>Well, they allow us only 5mb of disk; over that, they :>CHARGE. :> :>One person from mindspring was saying that their hands :>were tied because your free-use license disallowed :>any "commercial" use -- including, they inferred, as an :>ISP, for their customers. :> :>QUESTION: just what IS the situation? :> :>And, if there is a charge for "commercial" use (like by mindspring), :>HOW MUCH of a charge is it? :> :>Thanks! :> :>David Combs :> :>PS: that KERMIT is a WONDERFUL package indeed! :> :>esp with all the error-catching it does, and the ability :>to resume a download after a crashed session, and still :>lose nothing. Bob McNamara bob@mindspring.net Customer Advocate/Netcom Transition Team MindSpring Enterprises Inc. 1430 W. Peachtree Atlanta, GA 30309 (404) 815 0770 x 22205 http://www.mindspring.com "A ship is safe in the harbor, but that is not why ships are built" From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 08:22:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA21806 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id IAA04923 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 08:14:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 08:04:35 -0400 Organization: Nortel Message-ID: <37F9E953.DE62769E@americasm01.nt.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <37F90546.79C759A6@americasm01.nt.com>, > Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) wrote: > : > : I am running kermit 7.0 beta on linux 6.0 > : The problem is cut & paste (in the kermit window) does not work when I > : am running kermit. > : Kermit is talking thru ttyS3 to a RS232 device ( not a modem) > : If on the LINUX prompt I highlight text it pastes in NO problem. > : But in the Kermit window it pastes in only part of the string (first 2 > : char and last char most of the time) > : > There's no such thing as a Kermit window. Kermit is a plain old regular > standard-in/standard-out application, which you run in some kind of > window -- xterm, console, whatever. Kermit itself knows nothing about > copying and pasting -- this is a function of the window, completely > transparent to and independent of Kermit. > > - Frank Frank First; thanks for the "carrier-watch" help As for this issue, I guess I was not clear. I am running kermit "IN" a xterm on linux. If I run any other program (in another xterm) eg "pico"; "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight and paste") works fine. But ONLY in the xterm running KERMIT "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight and paste") does not work. It pastes in just part of the selected text as noted above. - Clint From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 09:52:57 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA05131 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09985 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:50:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: 5 Oct 1999 13:50:28 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tcvn4$9nt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37F9E953.DE62769E@americasm01.nt.com>, Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) wrote: : As for this issue, I guess I was not clear. : : I am running kermit "IN" a xterm on linux. : If I run any other program (in another xterm) eg "pico"; "cut & paste" ( : OK "select/highlight and paste") works fine. : But ONLY in the xterm running KERMIT "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight : and paste") does not work. : It pastes in just part of the selected text as noted above. Does it paste the text to the C-Kermit command prompt? If so, then your problem is flow control to the host. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 10:22:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10547 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA10479 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:01:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use? Date: 5 Oct 1999 14:01:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7td0bt$a7d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7tbnvv$46k@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, David Combs wrote: : Because the fellow who kept a recent and correctly-compiled : version of kermit has evidently abandoned using netcom, : there remains only a half-working version -- one that : downloads ok, but gets errors on uploading. : : Mindspring (bought netcom) is saying that one of us : USERS has to put up a kermit, it we want one. : : Well, they allow us only 5mb of disk; over that, they : CHARGE. : : One person from mindspring was saying that their hands : were tied because your free-use license disallowed : any "commercial" use -- including, they inferred, as an : ISP, for their customers. : : QUESTION: just what IS the situation? : See: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html All the restrictions are on the REDISTRIBUTION of Kermit software; in other words, on its commoditization. There is no restriction against an ISP putting it up on their own site for their customers to use for file transfer. Refer them to us if they have any questions: kermit@columbia.edu - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 10:22:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10549 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA10190 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 09:55:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: 5 Oct 1999 13:55:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37F9E953.DE62769E@americasm01.nt.com>, Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64) wrote: : ... : I am running kermit "IN" a xterm on linux. : If I run any other program (in another xterm) eg "pico"; "cut & paste" ( : OK "select/highlight and paste") works fine. : But ONLY in the xterm running KERMIT "cut & paste" ( OK "select/highlight : and paste") does not work. : It pastes in just part of the selected text [as noted above]. : Yes, but pico is running on the same machine where xterm is running. Kermit, on the other hand, has a connection to another machine, and therefore all the caveats of data communications apply. For example, it is possible that the text is indeed being pasted into the window, but then Kermit has to send it to the other computer, and the other computer has to echo it back, and Kermit has to read the echoes. For this to work on (for example) a serial connection requires the connection to be effectively flow controlled end to end. If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Give more details about the connection, and what "state" Kermit is in when you paste to it (command, connect, script execution, ...) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 10:52:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA17991 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA11720 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 10:25:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs) Subject: Re: LEGAL-KERMIT: may an ISP put up KERMIT (free) for customer use? Date: 5 Oct 1999 14:24:12 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <7td1mc$f01@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7td0bt$a7d$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: >See: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/commercial.html > >All the restrictions are on the REDISTRIBUTION of Kermit software; in >other words, on its commoditization. There is no restriction against >an ISP putting it up on their own site for their customers to use for >file transfer. > >Refer them to us if they have any questions: > > kermit@columbia.edu > >- Frank Thanks, Frank, for the swift, and positive, reply. I'll see what I can do. I try to put up the latest six, then later the new seven. David PS: and again, thanks for writing/overseeing a wonderful program! From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 11:22:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA23356 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA14792 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:18:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37FA16BD.A8F03B56@tpsdata.com> From: Jim Whitby Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 11:18:22 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I agree, keep it here, unless there are things that should not be made public: E.G. custom software code, etc. Jim David Combs wrote: > In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, > Frank da Cruz wrote: > > > >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to kermit-support@columbia.edu. > > Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here > on the newsgroup. You're both talking technical, stuff lots of > us can learn from. > > No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to. > > (Just my 2 cents) > > David From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 11:52:59 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00721 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15526 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:32:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: dkcombs@netcom.com (David Combs) Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: 5 Oct 1999 14:29:46 GMT Organization: Netcom Message-ID: <7td20q$rs7@dfw-ixnews9.ix.netcom.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, Frank da Cruz wrote: > >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to kermit-support@columbia.edu. Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here on the newsgroup. You're both talking technical, stuff lots of us can learn from. No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to. (Just my 2 cents) David From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 11:53:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA00723 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:52:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA15533 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 11:32:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: 5 Oct 1999 15:32:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7td5mv$f5a$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37FA16BD.A8F03B56@tpsdata.com>, Jim Whitby wrote: : David Combs wrote: : > In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, : > Frank da Cruz wrote: : > > : > >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to : > >kermit-support@columbia.edu. : > : > Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here : > on the newsgroup. You're both talking technical, stuff lots of : > us can learn from. : > : > No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to. : > : I agree, keep it here, unless there are things that should not be made : public: E.G. custom software code, etc. : It's not a question of secrecy -- generally when matters devolve to this level we start asking to see logs, which might be megabytes of gibberish, not what you want to see on a newsgroup. OK, so to be more specific (if not Pythonesque): continue the discussion on the newsgroup if you wish, as long as the messages do not contain voluminous logs. If you post a message to the newsgroup, please do not also send it to the kermit-support address, and vice-versa. The reason for that is simply that email tends to arrive before news; since we reply to email quickly, the same question shows up in news afterwards, and we have to answer it again. In other words, stuff that makes sense :-) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 16:24:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA27844 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 16:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA16997 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 15:56:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Yoner, Clinton (EXCHANGE:WDLN2:2Y64)" Subject: Re: cut and paste problem SOLVED Date: Tue, 05 Oct 1999 15:39:30 -0400 Organization: Nortel Message-ID: <37FA53F2.604C7E06@americasm01.nt.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thanks all for your interest. Frank put me on the right track. I should have known that when i paste to kermit what I see is the ECHO (or want the device recieved) not the "paste". That got me thinking. I just did an upgrade to linux 6.0 The "setserial" commands in rc.local worked with REDHAT 5.1 but the default setting must be changed for REDHAT 6. So I added "autoconfig" to the end of the "setserial" commands and now it works. Thanks again -Clint > From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 17:54:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20067 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA28726 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:33:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Subject: Kermit 95 as an ssh client? Date: 5 Oct 1999 21:32:55 GMT Organization: UIUC Department of Mathematics Message-ID: <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is for kermit to act as an ssh client. Any chances of this happening in the near future? -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 17:54:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20078 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA00828 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 17:50:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client? Date: 5 Oct 1999 21:50:05 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tdrqd$po$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is : for kermit to act as an ssh client. : : Any chances of this happening in the near future? : Not until the RSA patent runs out, the USA export law is changed, and various other legal/export/licensing issues are resolved. I notice you're posting from a large university. SSH might not be the best choice in such settings anyway, due to key management/recovery issues (think about it). - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 18:24:16 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA25514 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA02973 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 18:09:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client? Date: 5 Oct 1999 22:09:26 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tdsum$2sp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is : for kermit to act as an ssh client. : : Any chances of this happening in the near future? Adam: Its interesting that you are asking this question (again). I replied to you on 1 October 1998 in detail as to why the Kermit Project could not support SSH. In the last year absolutely nothing has changed. The RSA patent is still valid and SSHv2 has still not been approved by the IETF. In addition, it has become clear that SSH, when used with Public Key authentication, is a security nightmare when it is used and the client machine becomes compromised. While it may be an acceptable risk for individual users, it is not an acceptable risk for a system that supports thousands of users. When a host becomes root compromised all of the public key files that are found in the home directories of users may be accessed and used to break into additional machines. Unlike every other authentication mechanism the SSH public keys cannot be revoked and their reuse cannot be prevented. As for using SSH to simply prevent the transmission of plain text passwords, this only prevents a passive sniffer attack. It does not prevent an active man in the middle attack, nor does it protect against a root compromised host stealing passwords when a compromised login program is installed. Passwords should never be sent across the network. Not when truly secure systems are so easily accessible: . Secure Remote Password and other Zero Knowledge based systems . Kerberos varients . One Time Pads. While we may very well implement SSHv2 when it is finished, it will be only with very strong warnings against its use. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 19:54:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA11675 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA11923 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 19:32:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: rh720@aol.com (RH720) Subject: getting stuck at SET LINE with AIX 4.1.5 Date: 05 Oct 1999 21:37:22 GMT Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com Message-ID: <19991005173722.21026.00001355@ng-ch1.aol.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello, I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192 with AIX 4.1.5 - cannot get past SET LINE - the system always hangs. I am a PICK applications programmer, so I am far from a UNIX expert - I did turn getty off on the dev in question though, to no avail. Not sure what to do next. I would appreciate suggestions. Thanks Robert Herbin From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 20:24:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA12998 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA16516 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:11:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: adam@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Adam H. Lewenberg) Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client? Date: 6 Oct 1999 00:11:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign Message-ID: <7te43p$fqk$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thank you for your thoughtful reply (again). I did learn something new, namely the security limitations of ssh. I will look into this more carefully. The advantage of ssh is that all of the machines I connect to have it, while none of them have srp. As for kerberos, I have not been able to figure out how to install it on my home machine. jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) writes: >In article <7tdqq7$6se$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, >Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: >: Kermit 95 is _almost_ perfect. The last feature I would really like is >: for kermit to act as an ssh client. >: >: Any chances of this happening in the near future? >Adam: >Its interesting that you are asking this question (again). >I replied to you on 1 October 1998 in detail as to why the Kermit >Project could not support SSH. In the last year absolutely nothing >has changed. The RSA patent is still valid and SSHv2 has still >not been approved by the IETF. >In addition, it has become clear that SSH, when used with >Public Key authentication, is a security nightmare when it is used >and the client machine becomes compromised. While it may be an >acceptable risk for individual users, it is not an acceptable risk >for a system that supports thousands of users. When a host becomes >root compromised all of the public key files that are found in the >home directories of users may be accessed and used to break into >additional machines. Unlike every other authentication mechanism >the SSH public keys cannot be revoked and their reuse cannot be >prevented. >As for using SSH to simply prevent the transmission of plain text >passwords, this only prevents a passive sniffer attack. It does not >prevent an active man in the middle attack, nor does it protect against >a root compromised host stealing passwords when a compromised login >program is installed. Passwords should never be sent across the network. >Not when truly secure systems are so easily accessible: >. Secure Remote Password and other Zero Knowledge based systems >. Kerberos varients >. One Time Pads. >While we may very well implement SSHv2 when it is finished, it will >be only with very strong warnings against its use. > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org -- University of Illinois at Champaign-Urbana, Dept. Of Mathematics INTERNET: adam@math.uiuc.edu or lewenber@uiuc.edu From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 5 20:54:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA16136 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA19290 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 5 Oct 1999 20:38:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: Kermit 95 as an ssh client? Date: 6 Oct 1999 00:38:36 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7te5mc$iqn$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7te43p$fqk$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>, Adam H. Lewenberg wrote: : Thank you for your thoughtful reply (again). I did learn something : new, namely the security limitations of ssh. I will look into this : more carefully. : : The advantage of ssh is that all of the machines I connect to have it, : while none of them have srp. As for kerberos, I have not been able to : figure out how to install it on my home machine. Wait a couple of days and check http://web,.mit.edu/kerberos/www/ MIT is about to release Kerberos for Win32 2.0 which provides Kerberos 4 and Kerberos 5 support for Windows NT and 9x clients. If you have problems installing it post to comp.protocols.kerberos Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 6 09:24:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11845 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA15825 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:17:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: getting stuck at SET LINE with AIX 4.1.5 Date: 6 Oct 1999 13:17:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tfi5n$fee$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <19991005173722.21026.00001355@ng-ch1.aol.com>, RH720 wrote: : I am using C-Kermit 6.0.192 with AIX 4.1.5 - cannot get past SET LINE - the : system always hangs. I am a PICK applications programmer, so I am far from : a UNIX expert - I did turn getty off on the dev in question though, to no : avail. Not sure what to do next. I would appreciate suggestions. : Are you trying to set up a modem call? Did you give a SET MODEM TYPE command before the SET LINE command, as the manual says? What does C-Kermit's greeting say when you start it? It should mention which AIX version is was built for. If is says "AIX 3"-point-anything, then you're running the wrong C-Kermit binary. In any case, I'd recommend you try C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html If it doesn't make the problem go away, send email to kermit-support@columbia.edu with details. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 6 09:24:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA11866 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA14900 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:08:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37FB49CF.7B5838CB@tpsdata.com> From: Jim Whitby Subject: Re: cut and paste problem in kermit only Date: Wed, 06 Oct 1999 09:08:33 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Frank da Cruz wrote: > In article <37FA16BD.A8F03B56@tpsdata.com>, > Jim Whitby wrote: > : David Combs wrote: > : > In article <7td013$9ub$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, > : > Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > > > : > >If I'm not on target, let's take this offline to > : > >kermit-support@columbia.edu. > : > > : > Actually, it's nice having this conversation appear right here > : > on the newsgroup. You're both talking technical, stuff lots of > : > us can learn from. > : > > : > No one HAS to read it -- just those who want to. > : > > : I agree, keep it here, unless there are things that should not be made > : public: E.G. custom software code, etc. > : > It's not a question of secrecy -- generally when matters devolve to this > level we start asking to see logs, which might be megabytes of gibberish, > not what you want to see on a newsgroup. OK, so to be more specific (if > not Pythonesque): continue the discussion on the newsgroup if you wish, as > long as the messages do not contain voluminous logs. If you post a message > to the newsgroup, please do not also send it to the kermit-support address, > and vice-versa. The reason for that is simply that email tends to arrive > before news; since we reply to email quickly, the same question shows up in > news afterwards, and we have to answer it again. In other words, stuff > that makes sense :-) > > - Frank I hadn't thought about the log, etc data. And I do agree that they don't belong here. Maybe a compromise? For questions posed here that are moved to email, at least post the answer/solution? I do see the solution posted. I'll maybe not remember it ( I don't run Linux ), but it may help somewhere else. Thanks for the consideration. Jim From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 6 09:54:24 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA16972 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA18582 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 09:40:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Help with data transfer. Xenix - SCO Openserver Date: 6 Oct 1999 13:40:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tfjha$i4j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37fb2d5f.119086790@news.supernews.com>, goldstar@starwon.com.au wrote: : Craig Norborg wrote: : : > I have an old Xenix server that I need to get some data off of : >and transfer it to a new SCO Unix system. The problem is, the old : >Xenix system has absolutely no documentation and I'm somewhat stumped. : > : >I am trying to hook them up via serial port to transfer between the : >two systems, but am having problems using "cu" and setting it up so : >that "getty" runs so I can log in from one system to the other, but : >even then maybe there is a better way to do this, so I'm open to : >suggestions. : > : Man, been there and done that ! : : Just get Kermit stuff -binaries for both OS's are available from Columbia. : : Frank Da Cruz posted some simple notes on how to get it happening, which I : will send to you if you like. : : Unless you're a masochist, forget uucp. : UUCP requires all sorts of arcane setup and configuration; doing this on old platforms might be especially difficult. You can get files moving with Kermit without doing any system configuration at all. Install the appropriate Kermit binary on each computer, give it the needed user, group, and permissions to access the serial port and lockfile directory, connect the two computers with a null modem cable (or two modem cables that meet at a modem eliminator). In the first scenario, let's assume that neither PC is set up for logins on a serial port, and you don't want to bother with (or know how to) set up getty, etc. On computer A: set modem type none set line /dev/tty0a ; or whatever it is set speed 19200 ; or other set flow xon/xoff ; (because RTS/CTS not available on Xenix) server ; enter server mode On computer B: set modem type none set line /dev/tty0a ; or whatever it is set speed 19200 ; or other (same as on computer A) set flow xon/xoff Now on computer B you can give REMOTE CD, REMOTE DIR, SEND, GET, and many other commands for file transfer and management. In the second scenario, computer B has a getty on one of its serial ports and can be logged in to. In this case you can do everything from Computer A: set modem type none set line /dev/tty0a ; or whatever it is set speed 19200 ; or other set flow xon/xoff connect ; Enter terminal mode Here you log in to Computer B, start Kermit there, put it in server mode, "escape back" with C, and continue as in the first scenario. C-Kermit 7.0 is in the late stages of Beta testing, I'd recommend you start there: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 6 17:54:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA02608 for ; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA08718 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 6 Oct 1999 17:40:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: kees@echelon.nl (Kees Hendrikse) Subject: Re: Help with data transfer. Xenix - SCO Openserver Date: 6 Oct 1999 20:04:15 GMT Organization: Echelon bv Consultancy & Software Development Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Wed, 6 Oct 1999 13:40:58, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > In the first scenario, let's assume that neither > PC is set up for logins on a serial port, and you don't want to bother with > (or know how to) set up getty, etc. On computer A: > > set modem type none > set line /dev/tty0a ; or whatever it is > set speed 19200 ; or other > set flow xon/xoff ; (because RTS/CTS not available on Xenix) > server ; enter server mode 19200 is probably too fast for a Xenix box. I used to be very happy if I could make 9600 work. If it's an old '386 system, you might have to go down to 4800. -- Kees Hendrikse | email: kees@echelon.nl | web: www.echelon.nl ECHELON consultancy and software development | phone: +31 (0)53 48 36 585 PO Box 545, 7500AM Enschede, The Netherlands | fax: +31 (0)53 43 36 222 From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 7 09:24:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA10809 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21951 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:22:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "john" Subject: kermit dos and windows 95 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 1999 13:41:54 +0100 Organization: VBCnet GB Ltd Message-ID: <37fc95ea.0@news.i-way.co.uk> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for collecting files from a dos machine nearby. settings: set port 1 set baud 115200 set file collision overwrite set retry 3 remote login John remote cwd c:\sdfdat cd c:\posw\cdf get *.cdf exit often kermit fails citing "cannot find port in bios, seeking another port" ( or similar...), or "unimplemented bios" or " unimplemented Speed" can anyone suggest what might be going wrong? thanks desparate john silver From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 7 09:54:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19847 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA22838 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 09:34:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 Date: 7 Oct 1999 13:34:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ti7gg$m9j$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37fc95ea.0@news.i-way.co.uk>, john wrote: : i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for : collecting files from a dos machine nearby. settings: : : set port 1 : set baud 115200 : ... : often kermit fails citing "cannot find port in bios, seeking another : port" ( or similar...), or "unimplemented bios" or " unimplemented : Speed" : : can anyone suggest what might be going wrong? : MS-DOS Kermit is not a Windows NT application. If it works, fine. If not, we recommend you switch to Kermit 95, which is a native Windows NT application: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 7 11:54:38 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22738 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29481 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:48:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37FCB999.995D1432@tpsdata.com> From: Jim Whitby Subject: K95 shell function Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 11:17:47 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I have not had to do this yet, but the time is coming. I don't have the K95 yet just the unix version. If I have started k95 from a unix shell ( ksh, bash or ?? ) on a win95 machine. %COMSPEC still indicates command.com, not the unix shell. When I do a shell command , which shell will be used? The parent or %COMSPEC? Lemme restate that: >From a dos prompt on w95, i'll start a "unix shell" ( bash.exe ), then start K95, then need to do a shell command from K95 ( E.G. sed < blah blah> ). Which shell will get used? %COMSPEC or the parent "unix shell"? I would suspect its %COMSPEC, but I've been wrong before! Jim From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 7 11:54:39 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22740 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA29608 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 11:51:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: K95 shell function Date: 7 Oct 1999 15:51:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tifhj$st5$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37FCB999.995D1432@tpsdata.com>, Jim Whitby wrote: : I have not had to do this yet, but the time is coming. I don't have the : K95 yet just the unix version. : : If I have started k95 from a unix shell ( ksh, bash or ?? ) on a win95 : machine. %COMSPEC still indicates command.com, not the unix shell. When : I do a shell command , which shell will be used? The parent or %COMSPEC? : : Lemme restate that: : : From a dos prompt on w95, i'll start a "unix shell" ( bash.exe ), then : start K95, then need to do a shell command : from K95 ( E.G. sed < blah blah> ). Which shell will get used? %COMSPEC : or the parent "unix shell"? : : I would suspect its %COMSPEC, but I've been wrong before! : : Jim : : K95 will first look for the SHELL environment variable and if that is not found it will look for the COMSPEC environment variable. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 7 14:54:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA07146 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id OAA08183 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 7 Oct 1999 14:37:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37FCE819.932829E4@tpsdata.com> From: Jim Whitby Subject: Re: K95 shell function Date: Thu, 07 Oct 1999 14:36:11 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thanks. Jim Jeffrey Altman wrote: > :K95 will first look for the SHELL environment variable and if that > is not found it will look for the COMSPEC environment variable. > > Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 > The Kermit Project * Columbia University > 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 > http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 8 05:24:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA00113 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id EAA17300 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 04:55:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "John K. Picken" Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 01:49:51 -0700 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Thu, 7 Oct 1999, john wrote: > i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for > collecting files from a dos machine nearby. > Why go through the null-modem route at all? MS-DOS 6.22 (and possibly other versions) includes Interlink which allows you to connect two machines via either serial (Com) or parallel (LPT) ports. It's easy to use and you don't need any sort of terminal software. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 8 05:54:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA03311 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:54:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA18652 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 05:30:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 From: cangel@famvid.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 09:30:52 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I'm using the 3.14 version of MSKermit patched to level 9 and have tried running the 3.16 beta MSK16 but it seems the APC control will _not_ shut off? I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off' are reversed or something? Was this ever fixed and if so where would I find the patch file for this? BTW: I am hoping to convince Kim Heino (author of LINUX BBBS) and the people at Santronics (Wildcat BBS) to update the packet length in their software implentations of the kermit protocol. It is set 'standard' at 94 byte packets and it CRAWLS. I can do 9k packets no problem with UNIX systems that have this packet length max'd out. If Frank D. Cruz is reading this - how about shooting them an email explaining that 94 byte packets is no longer the 'standard' required for proper kermit transfers? Maybe they would believe you and just _do_ it rather than argue about it? > > Charles.Angelich > @AngelFire.com > USA, MI From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 8 10:54:42 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA03657 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA24461 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:48:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 Date: 8 Oct 1999 14:48:01 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tl071$nrv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , wrote: : I'm using the 3.14 version of MSKermit patched to level 9 and have tried : running the 3.16 beta MSK16 but it seems the APC control will _not_ shut : off? : : I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off' are : reversed or something? : Not that I know of. Can you please state the sequence of events that leads you to this conclusion? : Was this ever fixed and if so where would I find the patch file for this? : : BTW: I am hoping to convince Kim Heino (author of LINUX BBBS) and the people : at Santronics (Wildcat BBS) to update the packet length in their software : implentations of the kermit protocol. It is set 'standard' at 94 byte : packets and it CRAWLS. I can do 9k packets no problem with UNIX systems : that have this packet length max'd out. If Frank D. Cruz is reading this - : how about shooting them an email explaining that 94 byte packets is no : longer the 'standard' required for proper kermit transfers? : There is no standard packet length. All that's standard are the parameters and procedures by which the length is negotiated. The file receiver tells the sender the maximum packet length (up to ~9K) it is prepared to accept. The sender may not send packets longer than that but of course can send shorter ones. Most 3rd-party Kermit protocol implementations are limited to 94-byte packets and 1 window slot because that's the bare minimum required by the protocol definition, and the easiest to program. : Maybe they : would believe you and just _do_ it rather than argue about it? : I'd recommend they simply make a provision to allow the owner of the BBS to substitute C-Kermit as an external implementation of the Kermit protocol. There is no reason for them to try to duplicate all the work we've put into C-Kermit all these years, and then track changes in the future. Let them concentrate on the BBS aspects and let us concentrate on the Kermit protocol. Ditto for DOS-based BBS's -- if they can be configured to substitute external protocols for built-ones, then MS-DOS Kermit can be used. See the Kermit News article: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 8 17:54:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA08785 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA15211 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 17:24:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: heiby_u@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Subject: MS-Kermit Talking on 2 Ports? Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:28:16 GMT Organization: MCSNet Services Message-ID: <37fe44bc.1767178@news.mcs.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi! I have an application that must run in a DOS environment no a "586" class processor. I do not have any particular need for file transfer in this application, but I do need to be able to read from and write to two serial ports, non-blocking, pretty much full-time. The data needs and rates should be fairly reasonable, and I do not anticipate having any problems "keeping up". I would like to not have to write the application from scratch. I figure that I should be able to handle everything I need to do within Kermit macro language. However, I haven't been able to find a reference to being able to have more than one serial port active at a time. Is this possible? Thanks! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.1 Comment: Digital signature added to verify authorship and content. iQA/AwUBN/5FhG8pw+2/9pUJEQKXagCfTEY+tDAfbUrToeVknbchq2fa5OAAnj7Z DhwPw3kBR8Q9zpQBU15FwsHW =r4TL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Ron. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 8 18:24:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA16160 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA17390 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:06:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Talking on 2 Ports? Date: 8 Oct 1999 22:06:47 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tlptn$gvb$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37fe44bc.1767178@news.mcs.com>, Ron Heiby wrote: : I have an application that must run in a DOS environment no a "586" class : processor. I do not have any particular need for file transfer in this : application, but I do need to be able to read from and write to two serial : ports, non-blocking, pretty much full-time. The data needs and rates should : be fairly reasonable, and I do not anticipate having any problems "keeping : up". : : I would like to not have to write the application from scratch. I figure that : I should be able to handle everything I need to do within Kermit macro : language. : : However, I haven't been able to find a reference to being able to have more : than one serial port active at a time. Is this possible? : No. Most Kermit software can only handle one connection at a time. One Kermit program, MS-DOS Kermit in fact, can handle multiple connections simultaneously, but only TCP/IP connections, not serial ones. In cases where people want to have multiple Kermit sessions, they normally run multiple copies of Kermit, but of course that's not an option in DOS. I was thinking it might be possible to write an MS-DOS Kermit script that could jump back and forth between the two ports, opening and closing the port each time, but the flaw there is that flow control would need to be operational on Port 2 while Port 1 is open, and vice versa, and there's no way to do that. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 8 19:54:47 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA29346 for ; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA22006 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 8 Oct 1999 19:40:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: a_ppi_s@my-deja.com Subject: login prompt problem Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 23:34:33 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Message-ID: <7tlv28$crs$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Whats the difference between the two? I'm trying to write a simple script that will login to a unix machine by dialing in using kermit: (OS used Linux C-Kermit 7.0.195 ) the login prompts are as follows: when I dial in using this script below, I am able to login manually without a problem (after commenting out the input/ output lines) But, when attempting to login automatically with the script below, I am not able to anticipate the correct login sequence. OK, here is a sample of a correct login session ( done manually ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 0068HWR Host Name: aAnNdDyY UIC: pPaAsSsSwWoOrRdD Connected to 0138 CDD-RTT1 ^L ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ #!/home/andy/kermit/wermit + set line /dev/modem set carrier-watch off set speed 9600 set flow-control rts/cts set stop-bits 1 set parity even set command bytesize 7 set duplex half set terminal echo local set terminal cr-display normal set session log text log session set modem type gen set input echo on set input timeout proceed dial 9,5551212 output \13 pau 3 ;input 5 ame: ;output Andy\13 ;input 5 UIC: ;output password\13 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now, when I uncomment the lines above, It is not able to sense the correct login prompts, Obviously I'm missing something here. Any ideas? Also, How do is send the following characters: 1.) CNTRL + S 2.) CNTRL + J ( or line feed ) Thanks, -Andy Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 9 10:24:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA13091 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 10:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA27760 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 09:59:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <37FF4911.3C6DB947@mediaone.net> From: Kevin McCarthy Subject: Help - PIC's and XMODEM Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 09:54:25 -0400 Organization: Road Runner To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu O.K, it's not Kermit, but could anyone point me to some source code (or a good primer) on implementing XMODEM (standard, not CRC) on a PIC (16C74)? Thanks! Kevin McCarthy From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 9 11:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA22598 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA01840 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 11:34:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Dale A. Dellutri" Subject: Re: MS-Kermit Talking on 2 Ports? Date: 9 Oct 1999 15:34:17 GMT Organization: EnterAct L.L.C. Turbo-Elite News Server Message-ID: <7tnn9p$1od$1@eve.enteract.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On Fri, 08 Oct 1999 19:28:16 GMT, Ron Heiby wrote: > I have an application that must run in a DOS environment no a "586" class > processor. I do not have any particular need for file transfer in this > application, but I do need to be able to read from and write to two serial > ports, non-blocking, pretty much full-time. The data needs and rates should > be fairly reasonable, and I do not anticipate having any problems "keeping > up". You need BBS software. You can probably get something free if you search the web. > I would like to not have to write the application from scratch. I figure that > I should be able to handle everything I need to do within Kermit macro > language. As Frank said, Kermit can't do this. You need BBS software. -- Dale Dellutri -- ddellutr@enteract.com From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 9 12:54:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA05259 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA05434 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 12:54:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: login prompt problem Date: 9 Oct 1999 16:54:07 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tnrvf$59n$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7tlv28$crs$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, wrote: : Whats the difference between the two? : : I'm trying to write a simple script that will login to : a unix machine by dialing in using kermit: : (OS used Linux C-Kermit 7.0.195 ) : the login prompts are as follows: : : when I dial in using this script below, : I am able to login manually without a problem (after commenting out the : input/ output lines) : : But, when attempting to login automatically with the script below, I am : not able to anticipate the correct login sequence. : : OK, here is a sample of a correct login session ( done manually ) : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : 0068HWR : : Host Name: aAnNdDyY : : UIC: pPaAsSsSwWoOrRdD : : : Connected to 0138 CDD-RTT1 : ^L : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : #!/home/andy/kermit/wermit + : set line /dev/modem : set carrier-watch off : set speed 9600 : set flow-control rts/cts : set stop-bits 1 : set parity even : set command bytesize 7 : set duplex half : set terminal echo local : set terminal cr-display normal : set session log text : log session : set modem type gen : set input echo on : set input timeout proceed : dial 9,5551212 : output \13 : pau 3 : ;input 5 ame: : ;output Andy\13 : ;input 5 UIC: : ;output password\13 : : ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ : : Now, when I uncomment the lines above, It is not able to sense : the correct login prompts, : Obviously I'm missing something here. Any ideas? : I suspect that sometimes you might have to send more than one carriage to get the prompt. Try it this way: set input echo on ; So you can watch what happens dial 9,5551212 ; Dial the number if fail exit 1 Call failed ; Make sure the call was completed for \%i 1 5 1 { ; Try 5 times to get a prompt output \13 ; Send CR input 5 ame: ; Wait 5 sec for prompt if fail continue ; If it doesn't come try again output Andy\13 ; Send name + CR input 10 UIC: ; Wait for next prompt if fail exit 1 No UIC prompt ; Make sure it comes output password\13 ; Send password + CR } : Also, : How do is send the following characters: : : 1.) CNTRL + S : If this is for flow control purposes, your script shouldn't send it -- the underlying terminal driver should. But you are using rts/cts, so I guess it's not for flow control? (What's it for?) In any case: output \19 : 2.) CNTRL + J ( or line feed ) output \10 - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 9 15:54:54 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10546 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA14260 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:53:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Switching from Dos Kermit Vs. 3 to AIX Kermit Vs.7 Date: 9 Oct 1999 19:53:15 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7to6fb$dti$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <01bf1286$4f44f4a0$87c010ac@6484>, Serge Bisson wrote: : We used to connect from a Vax platform to a Dos platform. We now want to go : from Vax to AIX. : : ... : : We want to connect from the Vax server to an AIX server now : We have changed it to the following .kermrc: : : def vax set par non, set flo x, set hand no, set dupl ful : : local ttyport : local rcvdir : assign ttyport /dev/tty1 : ... : set line \m(ttyport) : set receive rename-to /home/terminal/data_in : set file type text ; Set type of file to text : set input echo on : : set terminal echo local ; So output goes in session log : cd \m(logdir) : log session ; Creates session.log in current directory : log transact ; Creates transact.log in current directory : cd \m(tmpdir) : do vax : set carrier-watch off : : server : ; (End) : : The tty1 port is set at 9600. : How do you know? : This will work when going from the Dos machine to the Unix machine. But not : from the Vax machine to the AIX machine. We get no response on the Unix : machine and the Vax machine keeps on resending. : : Any ideas why we are having this trouble with AIX? : You're leaving too much to chance. Try specifying everything: set modem type none set carrier-watch off set line \m(ttyport) if fail exit 1 Can't assign \m(ttyport) set speed 9600 do vax ; (which implies SET FLOW XON/XOFF) Now at this point, instead of entering server mode, give a CONNECT command. Ditto at the other end. Now everything you type on the VAX should show up on the AIX screen and vice versa. If not, you have a fundamental communication problem: wrong port, bad cable (is it a null- modem cable?), flow-control mismatch, speed mismatch, etc etc. The C-Kermit manual has a chapter on how to set up and check a direct serial connection between two computers; follow the directions there. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 9 15:54:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA10548 for ; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA13705 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 9 Oct 1999 15:40:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Serge Bisson" Subject: Switching from Dos Kermit Vs. 3 to AIX Kermit Vs.7 Message-ID: <01bf1286$4f44f4a0$87c010ac@6484> Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 18:45:23 GMT Organization: MTS Internet To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu We used to connect from a Vax platform to a Dos platform. We now want to go from Vax to AIX. Following was the ini file used on DOS: echo Customizations... set port 2 ; Use COM2 do vax ; Set parameters for talking to a VAX set speed 9600 ; Transmission speed set parity none cd P:\pgbw\cgcshunt set bell off echo Starting Monitor...Pause 5 seconds.. pause 5 get_file receive run copy expi90.dat CGC2JRI.NEW echo Wait 2 Seconds... pause 2 goto get_file We want to connect from the Vax server to an AIX server now We have changed it to the following .kermrc: def vax set par non, set flo x, set hand no, set dupl ful local ttyport local rcvdir assign ttyport /dev/tty1 assign rcvdir /home/terminal/data_in assign tmpdir /home/terminal/temp assign logdir /home/terminal/log set line \m(ttyport) set receive rename-to /home/terminal/data_in set file type text ; Set type of file to text set input echo on set terminal echo local ; So output goes in session log cd \m(logdir) log session ; Creates session.log in current directory log transact ; Creates transact.log in current directory cd \m(tmpdir) do vax set carrier-watch off server ; (End) The tty1 port is set at 9600. This will work when going from the Dos machine to the Unix machine. But not from the Vax machine to the AIX machine. We get no response on the Unix machine and the Vax machine keeps on resending. Any ideas why we are having this trouble with AIX? Thanks, Serge From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 01:55:01 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA27465 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id BAA11175 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 01:37:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: David Dyck Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 (solution to unimplemented bios/speed) Date: Sat, 9 Oct 1999 21:46:39 -0700 Organization: Fluke Corporation, Everett, WA Message-ID: To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I have been running kermit under dos shell under w95 for years and have worked around the problem by repeating the port and speed commands twice in my script -- never had a problem since then start your script like this: set port 1 set baud 115200 set port 1 set baud 115200 I know it's been suggested that you and I upgrade to using the windows 95 version of kermit, but I prefer free software wherever possible. And the source to the w95 kermit isn't available either. Dave > i am a novice trying to run kermit under a dos shell within w95 - for > collecting files from a dos machine nearby. > > settings: > > often kermit fails citing "cannot find port in bios, seeking another port" > ( or similar...), > or "unimplemented bios" or " unimplemented Speed" > > can anyone suggest what might be going wrong? > > thanks desparate > > > john silver From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 03:25:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA02870 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA14550 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:07:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <38003AEC.C6CA47FA@mediaone.net> From: Art Wildman Subject: set line: Sorry can't open connection Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:06:20 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Pretty basic stuff, but it's been a long time since I've setup serial devs... While trying to test a port on HPUX... C-Kermit> c set line /dev/tty2a3 set speed 9600 parity=space duplex=half Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK. "The quick brown fox..." am unable to send same string from hp tty2a3 to pc using procomm-vt100-kermit and have it display in procomm terminal/chat window. while playnig around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to lock up kermit. killed processes, and abe to recover but now when I try to set line /dev/tty2a3 error: Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3 Is there a lock file or something somewhere keeping the port open and unavailable? How do I clear this? What do I need to do to get kermit to transmit to pc properly? Manual is on order, any help in mean time is appreciated. -Thanks -- Art Wildman - wildman@mediaone.net From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 10:55:04 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA22798 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA02787 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 10:30:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection Date: 10 Oct 1999 14:30:57 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tq7v1$2n1$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <38003AEC.C6CA47FA@mediaone.net>, Art Wildman wrote: : Pretty basic stuff, but it's been a long time since I've setup serial devs... : : While trying to test a port on HPUX... : What version of C-Kermit do you have? : C-Kermit> c : set line /dev/tty2a3 : set speed 9600 : parity=space : duplex=half : Those last two should be: set parity space set duplex half : Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK. : "The quick brown fox..." : How do you know it's OK? C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and you see it on the HP's screen? How is the PC connected to the HP? A null modem cable? A *true* null modem cable, or the fakeout kind? Did you build it yourself? How do you know it's wired appropriately? : am unable to send same string from hp tty2a3 to pc using : procomm-vt100-kermit and have it display in procomm terminal/chat window. : Obviously that's a question for the Procomm people. : while playnig around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to lock up : kermit. : What makes you conclude it is locked up? Are you saying it was in CONNECT mode, and then you could no longer escape back? Or that it was in command mode and would no longer respond to commands? Please be specific about what state it was in and what you tried to do and what the response was. killed processes, and abe to recover but now when I try to : set line /dev/tty2a3 : error: Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3 : : Is there a lock file or something somewhere keeping the port open and : unavailable? : If you have C-Kermit 6.0 or later, the problem would not be a lockfile. C-Kermit detects and handles stale lockfiles, and anyway it prints an informative message stating why the device could not be opened. C-Kermit 6.0, while in CONNECT mode, runs in two forks (processes). The most likely explanation is that you killed one but not the other. C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html runs in only one fork at all times (at least on HP-UX and most other modern UNIX varieties), has better serial port handling, and better error messages. : How do I clear this? What do I need to do to get kermit to : transmit to pc properly? : : Manual is on order, any help in mean time is appreciated. -Thanks : The first question is: why not simply set up a getty on the HP-UX port and then log in to it from the PC? That's the normal way of connecting a PC and a UNIX computer. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 17:25:07 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27309 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA22517 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 17:19:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: ALTEK Corporation Subject: Re: Help - PIC's and XMODEM Organization: Clark Internet Services Message-ID: Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 21:18:45 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Kevin McCarthy wrote: > O.K, it's not Kermit, but could anyone point me to some source code (or > a good primer) on implementing XMODEM (standard, not CRC) on a PIC > (16C74)? Thanks! Try asking in comp.arch.embedded; there are lots of PIC programmers there. I've done XMODEM and PIC, but never XMODEM _on_ PIC. You're going to have a tight fit; it might be good to consider the pin-compatible 16C77, which has twice the ROM and more RAM (but still no stack). David Winfrey From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 10 23:55:09 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA17698 for ; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA11732 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:53:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <3801600F.65ED7F54@mediaone.net> From: Art Wildman Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection Date: Sun, 10 Oct 1999 23:57:03 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thanks for the quick response, I just found this group while looking for more info on kermit & thought I'd ask. Frank da Cruz wrote: > What version of C-Kermit do you have? Ver 6x comes with HPUX 10.20 I think, Not sure I'm doing this from memory... > : C-Kermit> c > : set line /dev/tty2a3 > : set speed 9600 > Those last two should be: Right -again I'm doing this from memory > set parity space > set duplex half > > : Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK. > : "The quick brown fox..." > : > How do you know it's OK? C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and you see it on > the HP's screen? Yes > > How is the PC connected to the HP? A null modem cable? Yes > A *true* null modem cable, or the fakeout kind? fakeout loopback on pc side rts-cts & dsr-dtr, but just using 3 wires to tty2a3 - 2, 3 & 7. > Did you build it yourself? How do you know it's wired appropriately? Yes, and I was able to test 2way comms by enabling device using HP's SAM, then respawning getty on same port set to 9600 hard-wired in inittab, init q -now able to hit rtn twice on pc procomm terminal and get login message. I was able to login, verifying 2-way comms. I found a partial procedure to test a port using kermit, and wanted to learn more about kermit. > : am unable to send same string from hp tty2a3 to pc using > : procomm-vt100-kermit and have it display in procomm terminal/chat window. > : > Obviously that's a question for the Procomm people. Why? -No, its just a terminal (in emulation mode) and I think its set up correctly or I wouldn't have been able to login using it. A laptop is easier to carry around than a vt100 terminal. Do I have to tell kermit to transmitt vs. receive? I should be able to open a connection, and type/transmitt "The quick brown fox..." from hp to pc-terminal. > : while playing around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to lock up > : kermit. > What makes you conclude it is locked up? Are you saying it was in CONNECT > mode, and then you could no longer escape back? Yes it was in connect mode, I tried ctrl-\ c repeatedly, also ctrl-c and every other key sequence I could think of... no response. > Or that it was in command > mode and would no longer respond to commands? Please be specific about what > state it was in and what you tried to do and what the response was. > > killed processes, and abe to recover but now when I try to > : set line /dev/tty2a3 > : error: Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3 > : > : Is there a lock file or something somewhere keeping the port open and > : unavailable? > : > If you have C-Kermit 6.0 or later, the problem would not be a lockfile. > C-Kermit detects and handles stale lockfiles, and anyway it prints an > informative message stating why the device could not be opened. All I get when I run kermit and try establish a new connection on this port is Sorry can't open connection on /dev/tty2a3 > > C-Kermit 6.0, while in CONNECT mode, runs in two forks (processes). The > most likely explanation is that you killed one but not the other. I saw two processes liste when I did ps -ef | grep kermit it listed 2 PIDs Killing the first one didn't seem to have any effect so I killed the other, that exited kermit and restored my hpux prompt. I'll look for other running processes, but I don't think any more exist owned by kermit. Is there something else I could look for? > > C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > runs in only one fork at all times (at least on HP-UX and most other modern > UNIX varieties), has better serial port handling, and better error messages. Thanks, I'll get 7.0, sounds like I may need it. > > : How do I clear this? What do I need to do to get kermit to > : transmit to pc properly? > The first question is: why not simply set up a getty on the HP-UX port and > then log in to it from the PC? That's the normal way of connecting a PC > and a UNIX computer. Tried that it worked, but this port will be used for data ingest using custom software, and I beleive the kermit protocol. So, I will have to turn off getty an want some way of sending data manually to the port & verifying comms 2-ways. Thanks again for your help and patience. > - Frank -- Art Wildman - wildman@mediaone.net From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 11 09:55:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06056 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA28026 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 09:35:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection Date: 11 Oct 1999 13:35:18 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tsp2m$rbo$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <3801600F.65ED7F54@mediaone.net>, Art Wildman wrote: : Thanks for the quick response, I just found this group while looking for : more info on kermit & thought I'd ask. : : Frank da Cruz wrote: : : > What version of C-Kermit do you have? : : Ver 6x comes with HPUX 10.20 I think, Not sure I'm doing this from memory... : Right, C-Kermit 6.0 is included with HP-UX 10.00 and above. But C-Kermit 6.0 is getting old and C-Kermit 7.0 is close to release. : > : Can send string from pc com1 to hp tty2a3 OK. : > : "The quick brown fox..." : > : > How do you know it's OK? C-Kermit is in CONNECT mode and you see it on : > the HP's screen? : : Yes : : > How is the PC connected to the HP? A null modem cable? : : Yes : : > A *true* null modem cable, or the fakeout kind? : : fakeout loopback on pc side rts-cts & dsr-dtr, but just using 3 wires to : tty2a3 - 2, 3 & 7. : A true 9- or 10-wire null modem with all cross-connects (RxD/TxD, RTS/CTS, DTR/CD, DSR/CD), as shown on p.494 of the C-Kermit manual, is recommended. If the HP-UX port driver requires certain signals, and they aren't there, then it's not going to let the application use the port. This, in turn, depends on which driver you are using. You said "tty2a3". OK, that's the one for hardwired ports. But maybe it needs DSR and your cable isn't providing it. : > Did you build it yourself? How do you know it's wired appropriately? : Yes, and I was able to test 2way comms by enabling device using HP's SAM, : then respawning getty on same port set to 9600 hard-wired in inittab, init : q -now able to hit rtn twice on pc procomm terminal and get login : message. I was able to login, verifying 2-way comms. I found a partial : procedure to test a port using kermit, and wanted to learn more about : kermit. : If you want to use Kermit on each end without a login on the HP port, obviously you'll need to be logged in to the HP some other way. Then try the setup given in the manual for direct serial connections: set modem type none ; Tell Kermit there is no modem set carrier-watch off ; Don't require CD set flow none ; No flow control set port /dev/tty2a3 ; Open the port set speed 9600 ; Set the speed connect set up the PC the same way. : > : while playing around with port settings (duplex=full) I managed to : > : lock up kermit. : > : > What makes you conclude it is locked up? Are you saying it was in : > CONNECT mode, and then you could no longer escape back? : : Yes it was in connect mode, I tried ctrl-\ c repeatedly, also ctrl-c and : every other key sequence I could think of... no response. : Then probably it was stuck in a system call (like read() on the port). Try following the instructions above and this shouldn't happen. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 11 20:55:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA05428 for ; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA03860 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 11 Oct 1999 20:50:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Eric J. Paulsen" Subject: Direct Serial Connection - Unable to Set Line Message-ID: Date: Mon, 11 Oct 1999 19:49:23 -0500 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I'm trying to connect my Linux box to our phone switch which has a simple RS-232 serial port which dumps phone usage as the calls are handled by the phone system. I have it connected to my 25 pin serial port (which was comm2 under windows) and have tried to set line to cua1 and ttyS1 and both give this: (/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line ttyS1 ttyS1 Sorry, can't open connection: ttyS1 (/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line cua1 cua1 Sorry, can't open connection: cua1 There are no gettys running on this, but it seems something is locking the port. What can I check to start troubleshooting this? TIA, Eric From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 12 10:25:27 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA20638 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09906 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 10:22:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Direct Serial Connection - Unable to Set Line Date: 12 Oct 1999 14:22:43 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7tvg7j$9lf$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Eric J. Paulsen wrote: : I'm trying to connect my Linux box to our phone switch which has a simple : RS-232 serial port which dumps phone usage as the calls are handled by the : phone system. I have it connected to my 25 pin serial port (which was comm2 : under windows) and have tried to set line to cua1 and ttyS1 and both give : this: : : (/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line ttyS1 : ttyS1 : Sorry, can't open connection: ttyS1 : >From the form of the prompt, I assume you're using C-Kermit 7.0. : (/usr/bin/) C-Kermit>set line cua1 : cua1 : Sorry, can't open connection: cua1 : : There are no gettys running on this, but it seems something is locking the : port. What can I check to start troubleshooting this? : Try "set modem type none" and "set carrier-watch off" before "set line". If that doesn't work, type: log debug {| grep ttopen > debug.log} at the C-Kermit> prompt and then try again. If the answer isn't obvious from the resulting debug.log file, send it to kermit-support@columbia.edu. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Tue Oct 12 20:55:32 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA00150 for ; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA15530 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Tue, 12 Oct 1999 20:33:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Mark Sapiro Subject: Re: Q: goofy dates with Kermit 5A(188) on AIX Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:32:52 -0700 Organization: Not Very Much Message-ID: <3803D334.C293F550@value.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Rob Wargaski wrote: > I have a serial multiplexer attached to an AIX server, and several > Windows 95-based PCs attached to the mux. Periodically, we need to > upload files from a PC to the AIX machine; to do this, we open a > HyperTerminal session and upload the files using the Kermit protocol. > The AIX server has Kermit 5A(188) installed. This is way out of date (but it isn't the problem here). The current version is 6.0 ( http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html ) and 7.0 ( http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html ) is in the final stages of beta test. > The entire file transfer process works flawlessly, but the uploaded > files on the AIX machine all have a date of February 1, 1970. I have > confirmed that the date on the server is correct, and creating files > from the command line (e.g. using `touch') produces a current time > stamp. > > Has anyone else seen this? I just tried it with Hyperterminal on my machine and it does the same thing. Hyperterminal is sending the file timestamp as 19970201 00:00:07 regardles of the actual timestamp on the file. This is not the only problem with Hyperterminal's implementation of Kermit protocol. For a better implementation, you could try Kermit-MS (http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html ) in a Dos window under Win95, but this is not supported and may or may not work. The real answer is Kermit-95 ( http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html ). -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, California better use your sense - B. Dylan From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 05:55:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id FAA12766 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id FAA07395 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 05:26:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Chris H. de Dijker" Subject: Problems with Exit from dail script to take script Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:20:31 +0100 Organization: Luna Internet Message-ID: <939806492.394521@perla.rotterdam.luna.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I use the following simple (mskermit 3.15)-script for testing: ;download.scr set modem bestdata dial test if failure goto notconnect echo Connection successful ; rest of the script hangup exit :notconnect echo Connection failed set errorlevel 2 hangup exit Now I start the script with the command: kermit take download.scr Because I want to test the not connect status, I simulate a NO DIALTONE by removing the line from the modem. The bestdata.scr goes to the :FAIL Label and returns the END 1 command. The program goes back to download.scr. and allways displays that the connection was successful. What's wrong ???? Please help me, Regards, Chris de Dijker Email: chris.dedijker-AT-copex.nl From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 09:25:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA00256 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA08480 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:16:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Problems with Exit from dail script to take script Date: 13 Oct 1999 13:16:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u20nd$88t$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <939806492.394521@perla.rotterdam.luna.net>, Chris H. de Dijker wrote: : I use the following simple (mskermit 3.15)-script for testing: : : ;download.scr : set modem bestdata : dial test : if failure goto notconnect : echo Connection successful : ; rest of the script : hangup : exit : : :notconnect : echo Connection failed : set errorlevel 2 : hangup : exit : : Now I start the script with the command: kermit take download.scr : Because I want to test the not connect status, I simulate a NO DIALTONE by : removing the line from the modem. : The bestdata.scr goes to the :FAIL Label and returns the END 1 command. : The program goes back to download.scr. and allways displays that the : connection was successful. : : What's wrong ???? : The script looks right. If the dialing scripts ends with END 1, then the IF FAILURE test after the DIAL command should succeed, and control should be transferred to the NOTCONNECT label. MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 has a certain difference from earlier versions, namely that DIAL is a built-in command. Previously it was a macro. Now, it invokes a script if a script for the current modem exists, otherwise it tries to place the call using the minimum set of AT commands and modem signals. Macro invocations definitely do pass along the success/failure status of the macro (so END 1 from the macro makes the invocation fail; END 0 makes it succeed), but it seems the DIAL command does not notice the failure return from the dialing script. This is a bug. We will have to fix it in version 3.16. Thanks for noticing and reporting it. In the meantime, you should be able to work around the problem by testing for the CD signal after dialing: dial test wait 0 CD if failure goto notconnect - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 09:55:41 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA07638 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA09503 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:35:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Kermit script or program to monitor serial line? Date: 13 Oct 1999 13:35:29 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u21r1$98s$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7u0a86$1idi$1@mars.mcs.net>, Richard Jordan wrote: : We're using a Routeabout Access EW as a central router in a frame relay : configuration; there are 9 remote sites coming in, each on its own PVC. : Some of the links have been problematic (its the telco having glitches : but sometimes the routabouts just will not recover without being re- : started). The central site has an Alphacluster running OpenVMS V7.1 : and UCX V4.1 (latest ECO, and yes I wish I could upgrade them too). : : After having some batch jobs sitting on the alphas regularly pinging the : remote routers and notifying us on a ping failure, the fact that it'd be : much less load on the system/links/etc if we could just leave a process : telneted to the central router listening to the logging console (or : perhaps using a direct serial connection to the router console port : doing the same thing) and sending notifications when the central router : sees a topology change or other error (by error name/number). We would : determine which messages to enable to provide just what we needed and : have the program parse all incoming messages. Most would just be logged : (no info messages, just warning and worse) and some would trigger an : email/page/whatever. : : I'm hoping someone has sample code (maybe in BASIC?) for this type of : application, but I'd appreciate opinions on whether something like : this can be handled using Kermit scripting... : Yes. : ... or if I'd be better off : dealing with UCX programming from BASIC (we do not have C... or any : other language, available). : No. Kermit has tens of thousands of lines of code already written to do what you want. Why duplicate all that? I'd recommend you start with C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html which is in the final stages of Beta testing, and is far advanced over the previous version in terms of scripting capabilties, and also has numerous VMS-specific improvements. Get a copy of the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html to learn the script language, and also read the 7.0 release notes to learn about the new features: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/text/ckermit2.txt In brief outline, your application would: set host if fail exit 1 Can't reach router. while true { (wait for a line to come in) (parse the line) (if it's a significant event, handle it) (maybe make some kind of log entry) } For lots of C-Kermit script examples, see: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 16:55:44 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA14605 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03183 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:50:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Mr. Scott" Subject: ASCII character 186 killing transfer Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:41:53 GMT Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy. Message-ID: <7u2qqd$a2v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Synopsis: Using C-Kermit 7.0.195.Beta.02 on AIX 4.2.1 to dial a serial modem into a similar AIX box, then telnet from OS prompt to yet another AIX box. Then try and transfer a file with an ASCII 186 in it. The transfer times out. Don't know why, but removing that character removed the problem. There are other > 127 characters in other files that are producing similar results. What should I set things to? It doesn't look like I can prefix this character (or the other ones). Suggestions welcome. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ Before you buy. From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 17:25:46 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA20174 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA03538 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:57:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: ASCII character 186 killing transfer Date: 13 Oct 1999 20:57:08 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u2rn4$3ef$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <7u2qqd$a2v$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Mr. Scott wrote: : Synopsis: : Using C-Kermit 7.0.195.Beta.02 on AIX 4.2.1... : We've issued 8 new Betas since then -- you might want to try the latest: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html : ... to dial a serial modem into : a similar AIX box, then telnet from OS prompt to yet another AIX box. : Then try and transfer a file with an ASCII 186 in it. The transfer : times out. Don't know why, but removing that character removed the : problem. There are other > 127 characters in other files that are : producing similar results. What should I set things to? It doesn't : look like I can prefix this character (or the other ones). : In fact, that's probably what you need to do. Transferring files through concatenations of connections is always tricky, because any assumptions that each Kermit program makes by looking at its connection are going to be wrong. Try one or both of the following: To prefix all 8-bit characters, use "set parity space". To prefix all control characters, use "set prefixing all". - Frank From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 17:56:00 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA27699 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id RAA06721 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:52:45 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Blair Bitonti" Subject: zmodem info Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:51:50 -0700 Organization: via Internet Direct - http://www.mydirect.com/ To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hi there, Is there an appropriate news group for people interested in developing ftp applications particularoliy zmodem. What I am looking for is a clear protocol description/flowchart ect... besides the one from the author. If anyone could help me or point me in the right direction I would appreciate it. Thanks in advance From news@columbia.edu Wed Oct 13 23:55:48 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA21459 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id XAA25215 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:51:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <380553C7.8C791DBB@mediaone.net> From: Art Wildman Subject: Re: set line: Sorry can't open connection Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:53:44 -0400 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Problem solved: Thought you'd like to know how it turned out... 1. True Null Modem wiring on both ends. (loopback 4-5, 6-8-20) 2. "Removing stale lock /var/spool/locks/LCK..tty2a3 (pid 6638 terminated)" I had captured output of problem, over long weekend I knew I'd need it... #/usr/bin/kermit #Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX... #C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00 #Default file-transfer mode is TEXT [/] C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty2a3 [/] C-Kermit>set speed 9600 /dev/tty2a3, 9600 bps [/] C-Kermit>set mode direct [/] C-Kermit>set duplex half [/] C-Kermit>c #Connecting to /dev/tty2a3, speed 9600. #The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) #Type the escape character followed by C to get back, #or followed by ? to see other options. TX> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog... RCV< ....UNABLE TO RECEIVE TEXT TXMITTED FROM LAPTOP RUNNING PROCOMM.... # ctrl-\ c ...didn't work kermit appears hung...tried usual panic keystrokes... # kill -9 kermitPID [/] C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty2a3 Sorry, can't open connection: /dev/tty2a3 after kill -9 kermitPID ??? ... much pulling of hair ... left and went home...much later... /usr/bin/kermit Executing /usr/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.ini for UNIX... Good Afternoon! C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for HP-UX 10.00 Default file-transfer mode is TEXT [/] C-Kermit>set line /dev/tty2a3 Removing stale lock /var/spool/locks/LCK..tty2a3 (pid 6638 terminated) [/] C-Kermit>set speed 9600 /dev/tty2a3, 9600 bps [/] C-Kermit>set mode direct [/] C-Kermit>set duplex half [/] C-Kermit>c Connecting to /dev/tty2a3, speed 9600. The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS) Type the escape character followed by C to get back, or followed by ? to see other options. TX> the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog... RCV< the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog... RCV< the quick brown fox died... ctrl-\ c (Back at local-host) [/] C-Kermit>quit # Test of comms completed successfully!!! Received C-KERMIT v-6 Book next day, now I'm real dangerous! Let us know when you guys publish a new edition for v-7. Thanks again Frank, so much for all your time and patience. Frank da Cruz wrote: > : > What makes you conclude it is locked up? Are you saying it was in > : > CONNECT mode, and then you could no longer escape back? > : > : Yes it was in connect mode, I tried ctrl-\ c repeatedly, also ctrl-c and > : every other key sequence I could think of... no response. > : > Then probably it was stuck in a system call (like read() on the port). > Try following the instructions above and this shouldn't happen. > > - Frank -- Art Wildman - wildman@mediaone.net "Linux is user-friendly, it's just particular about who it's friends are." From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 14 03:55:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA18107 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA06309 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 03:47:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: rjordan@Jupiter.mcs.net (Richard Jordan) Subject: Re: Kermit script or program to monitor serial line? Date: 13 Oct 1999 16:28:01 -0500 Organization: A private user of MCSnet Message-ID: <7u2th1$2686$1@Jupiter.mcs.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu > In article <7u0a86$1idi$1@mars.mcs.net>, > Richard Jordan wrote: > : We're using a Routeabout Access EW as a central router in a frame relay > : configuration; ... > . > : > : I'm hoping someone has sample code (maybe in BASIC?) for this type of > : application, but I'd appreciate opinions on whether something like > : this can be handled using Kermit scripting... > . > No. Kermit has tens of thousands of lines of code already written to do > what you want. Why duplicate all that? > > I'd recommend you start with C-Kermit 7.0: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html > . > > For lots of C-Kermit script examples, see: > > http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html > > - Frank Frank, I had looked at the Columbia script site and didn't see anything directly applicable. I will check it again. I do have the more recent C_Kermit book (purchased last December, I think its for V6) and, while it has fine examples, I'm time limited enough right now to hope to locate a piece of already-done code to base things on. I appreciate your taking the time to respond! I will be looking at Kermit as the most likely solution to this problem... Rich Jordan rjordan@mcs.net From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 14 09:25:52 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27953 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21965 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:11:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Opening a tty for exclusive access Date: 14 Oct 1999 13:11:31 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u4kq3$lea$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu An interesting question came recently in the beta testing of C-Kermit 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html How does one open a dialout (tty) device in QNX for exclusive access? In other forms of UNIX we have the hideous UUCP lockfile mechanism, but not in QNX. A user who was testing Kermit on QNX tried out the "find a free dialout device" script: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/scripts/ckermit/getline and it didn't work at all. User A could grab /dev/ser1, make a call, and be carrying on a session, and user B could open the same device while user A's session is active. I assume that QNX must have some API for opening a device (or file) for exclusive access, but I don't know what it is. Can someone help? Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 14 09:25:53 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA27956 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA21247 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 09:02:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: C-Kermit 7.0 for VOS Date: 14 Oct 1999 13:02:03 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u4k8b$knt$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Thanks to some newly discovered VOS sites, C-Kermit 7.0 Beta.10 has now been built -- and binaries are available -- for both Continuum and mc680x0 (CISC) platforms. All four configurations: . TCP/IP support included, but not X.25 . X.25 support included, but not TCP/IP . TCP/IP and X.25 support included . No networking support included have been built for each platform. The results are available at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html However, we still have not located a build site for i860 (RISC). It would also be good to get builds on older VOS versions, since some of the binaries we have now might be too "advanced" for many VOS sites: CONT: 14.0.2g CISC: 13.3.3o If you can build C programs on CISC and would like to make the needed VOS C-Kermit binaries (it's relatively painless), please contact me. Thanks! Frank da Cruz The Kermit Project Columbia University From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 14 15:25:55 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA19791 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA10809 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:08:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: mgibby@worldnet.att.net Subject: Recurring Print problems with k95 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:07:53 GMT Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services Message-ID: <38062917.22287033@netnews.worldnet.att.net> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I am having trouble with a user printing with the print screen key while in a terminal session. It prints, but also executes an f3....This is causing problems on this end. Are there any settings or advice you can give me? We have a substantial user base and this seems to be a recurring problem. From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 14 15:55:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA27740 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id PAA11913 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 15:30:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Recurring Print problems with k95 Date: 14 Oct 1999 19:30:35 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u5b0r$bk6$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <38062917.22287033@netnews.worldnet.att.net>, wrote: : I am having trouble with a user printing with the print screen key : while in a terminal session. It prints, but also executes an : f3....This is causing problems on this end. Are there any settings : or advice you can give me? We have a substantial user base and this : seems to be a recurring problem. : The Print Screen key is not handled, or even seen, by Kermit. Windows handles this key itself. Instead of Windows Print Screen, try Kermit 95's own print-screen function, which is normally assigned to Alt-p. (Use Alt-h to see a popup describing some of K95's more important hot keys.) - Frank From news@columbia.edu Thu Oct 14 22:25:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA06310 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id WAA03904 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:16:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) Subject: Re: Problems with Exit from dail script to take script Message-ID: Date: 14 Oct 99 18:17:09 MDT Organization: Utah State University To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <939806492.394521@perla.rotterdam.luna.net>, "Chris H. de Dijker" writes: > I use the following simple (mskermit 3.15)-script for testing: > > ;download.scr > set modem bestdata > dial test > if failure goto notconnect > echo Connection successful > ; rest of the script > hangup > exit > > :notconnect > echo Connection failed > set errorlevel 2 > hangup > exit > > Now I start the script with the command: kermit take download.scr > Because I want to test the not connect status, I simulate a NO DIALTONE by > removing the line from the modem. > The bestdata.scr goes to the :FAIL Label and returns the END 1 command. > The program goes back to download.scr. and allways displays that the > connection was successful. > > What's wrong ???? > > Please help me, > > Regards, > Chris de Dijker > Email: chris.dedijker-AT-copex.nl -------------- This was discussed off line and indeed there is a bug in MSK such that the value passed by the END command within the DIAL macro was being ignored. The fix is in MSK v3.16 beta 8, due at Columbia Friday. Joe D. From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 15 10:56:03 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA04474 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA27601 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 10:55:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: Frank da Cruz Subject: C-Kermit for Plan 9 Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u79s0$lvc$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 14:09:28 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu C-Kermit communications software version 7.0: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html is nearing the end of its development phase. As noted in a recent posting, it will include UTF-8 support, allowing text files to be imported and exported from/to Plan 9 to/from other platforms that use different character sets. It will also allow terminal sessions with other computers that use "traditional" character sets like ISO Latin-1, Latin-2, Latin/Cyrillic, Latin/Greek, Latin/Hebrew, the many ISO 646 national character sets, and numerous proprietary sets. However, since Plan 9 has a different networking API than the other platforms where C-Kermit runs (UNIX, VMS, VOS, AOS/VS, etc), it can't be used as a Telnet or Rlogin client on Plan 9. I understand that the Plan 9 networking API is "trivial" (a network connection looks like a file), and I had Plan'd to take care of it myself, but I have not had any luck installing Plan 9 on any of the local PCs (still trying), and don't have guest access to any Plan 9 systems either. Would anybody like to give this a shot? It shouldn't be too awful; the network primitives (open, read, write, close) are well isolated, and the Telnet and Rlogin protocol interpreters are totally isolated from the networking code. If we don't get networking into Plan 9 for 7.0, the next release probably won't be for 2-3 years. If you're interested, please send email. Thanks! - Frank From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 15 12:26:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24245 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA00917 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:58:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <38074E30.2DBED3DB@concentric.net> From: Jay Weinshenker Subject: Capturing output to file from script (UNIX) Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 15:57:00 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu Hello. I'm running C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x and configuring it to run a script and that's it. In this script, I've got everything going well, except that at one point it downloads a file. Now, the server I am connecting to prompts for a filename and upon my script passing a filename and a carriage return, the server spews the file to the screen (which is ok). I'm having a DEVIL of a time getting my kermit client to capture this output to a file - I've tried set session-log binary, set session-log text, and also set printer and I can't seem to get any of them to work - I *know* this is possible... Can someone help me with this? Please e-mail any responses to jweinshe@concentric.net or post reply. Thanks. J From news@columbia.edu Fri Oct 15 12:26:06 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24248 for ; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id MAA01342 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Fri, 15 Oct 1999 12:04:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Capturing output to file from script (UNIX) Date: 15 Oct 1999 16:04:58 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7u7jba$19r$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <38074E30.2DBED3DB@concentric.net>, Jay Weinshenker wrote: : I'm running C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x and : configuring it to run a script and that's it. In this script, I've got : everything going well, except that at one point it downloads a file. : : Now, the server I am connecting to prompts for a filename and upon my : script passing a filename and a carriage return, the server spews the : file to the screen (which is ok). I'm having a DEVIL of a time getting : my kermit client to capture this output to a file - I've tried set : session-log binary, set session-log text, and also set printer : and I can't seem to get any of them to work - I *know* this : is possible... : : Can someone help me with this? : Let's suppose it's a text file, since it usually doesn't make sense to spew a binary file to the screen. Then all it should take is: log session capture.log output \13 input 200 if fail echo WARNING: INPUT timed out after 200 seconds close session where is what the server prints when it's finished spewing the file, and let's hope it's not in the file itself. The result should be in the capture.log file. Or is this an HTTP GET? In that case there might be a better way. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sat Oct 16 20:26:17 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06685 for ; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA01649 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:10:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Message-ID: <380913E3.37DB2EF3@usit.net> From: ERA Organization: ERA Computer Consulting Subject: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites? Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 00:10:17 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I just looked through the script repository - http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html - to see if there were any scripts upon which I could build a polling process. Unfortunately I saw nothing. I will soon be in the process of upgrading a client with four store locations and will need this script by late November, early December. I'm recommending they buy c-kermit (OpenServer 5.0.5) for the polling system at the main store and one of the remotes and DOS-Kermit (IBM PC-DOS 2000) on two of the remotes. I don't look forward to trying to do this from scratch on top of all the other upgrade work involved. If anyone has a polling script they wish to share I would appreciate the help. I'm looking for something with failsafes and redundancy for failed transmissions. E-mail me anything you have or a message if you wish to discuss this with me. TIA! -- Gene Alexander -- +==========================-=>Team OS/2<=-==========================+ # Owner and C.E.O. - ERA Computer Consulting - Jackson, TN USA # #Providing IBM OS/2 and SCO OpenServer Business Computing Solutions# # visit our www pages at http://www.townsendsupply.com/era/ # +===================================================================+ The Operating System/2 Version is 4.00 Revision 9.029 There are 47 Processes with 165 Threads. This machine's uptime is 1d 9h 41m 53s 961ms. From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 17 03:56:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA03000 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id DAA21324 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 03:47:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: rzsz with C-kermit & Solaris From: caf@agora.rdrop.com (Chuck Forsberg) Message-ID: <38097e97_4@news5.newsfeeds.com> Date: 17 Oct 1999 02:45:27 -0500 Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 72,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Instant access!! To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <37ea7bcf.200731823@news.mindspring.com>, David Price wrote: >fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote: > >>In article <37ea1ce0.176424958@news.mindspring.com>, >>David Price wrote: >>: I am attempting to use sz with C-kermit on a Solaris 2.6 X86 system >>: without much success. The rzsz version is 3.49 from Omen Tech. >>: C-kermit is version 6.0.192. The problem is as follows: >>: >>: - I connect and login to the remote site successfully using kermit. >>: - I enter the following command within kermit: >>: !sz -v file_to_send /dev/cua/b >>: - The following is echoed back to the screen a few times: >>: **B0100000000027fed4 As explained in the DOC files that come with rz/sz, you should be using crz/sz (client rz/sz) with Kermit. The file is crrzsz.zip at http://www.omen.com -- Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX PP-ASEL/HP Skylane N2469R caf@omen.COM Omen Technology Inc The High Reliability Software www.omen.com Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, RZ, SZ, Pro-YAM, ZCOMM, GSZ, and DSZ TeleGodzilla BBS: 503-617-1698 FTP: ftp.cs.pdx.edu pub/zmodem POB 4681 Portland OR 97208 503-614-0430 FAX:503-629-0665 -----------== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News ==---------- http://www.newsfeeds.com The Largest Usenet Servers in the World! ------== Over 73,000 Newsgroups - Including Dedicated Binaries Servers ==----- From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 17 06:56:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id GAA22916 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id GAA29764 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:52:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 From: cangel@famvid.com Message-ID: Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:52:07 GMT To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu On 1999-10-08 fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu(FrankdaCruz) said: FD> wrote: FD>: I'm using the 3.14 version of MSKermit patched to level 9 and FD>have tried : running the 3.16 beta MSK16 but it seems the APC FD>control will _not_ shut : off? FD>: I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off' FD>are : reversed or something? FD>Not that I know of. Can you please state the sequence of events FD>that leads you to this conclusion? It auto-detects when I'm trying to upload and download and jumps to the appropriate screen but with no directory information nor a filename to upload. I exit and it restarts about 7-8 times before finally giving up. Version 3.14 does not do this using the same config files, just 3.16 beta does this. Nothing I've tried will persuade kermit to wait for me to define a filename and or path. FD>: Was this ever fixed and if so where would I find the patch file FD>for this? : FD>: BTW: I am hoping to convince Kim Heino (author of LINUX BBBS) and FD>the people : at Santronics (Wildcat BBS) to update the packet FD>length in their software : implentations of the kermit protocol. FD>It is set 'standard' at 94 byte : packets and it CRAWLS. I can do FD>9k packets no problem with UNIX systems : that have this packet FD>length max'd out. If Frank D. Cruz is reading this - : how about FD>shooting them an email explaining that 94 byte packets is no : FD>longer the 'standard' required for proper kermit transfers? : FD>There is no standard packet length. All that's standard are the FD>parameters and procedures by which the length is negotiated. The FD>file receiver tells the sender the maximum packet length (up to FD>~9K) it is prepared to accept. The sender may not send packets FD>longer than that but of course can send shorter ones. FD>Most 3rd-party Kermit protocol implementations are limited to FD>94-byte packets and 1 window slot because that's the bare minimum FD>required by the protocol definition, and the easiest to program. FD>: Maybe they FD>: would believe you and just _do_ it rather than argue about it? FD>I'd recommend they simply make a provision to allow the owner of FD>the BBS to substitute C-Kermit as an external implementation of the FD>Kermit protocol. There is no reason for them to try to duplicate FD>all the work we've put into C-Kermit all these years, and then FD>track changes in the future. Let them concentrate on the BBS FD>aspects and let us concentrate on the Kermit protocol. I agree with your logic. I will see if the authors of these BBS packages can accept this as logical. 8) FD>Ditto for DOS-based BBS's -- if they can be configured to FD>substitute external protocols for built-ones, then MS-DOS Kermit FD>can be used. See the Kermit News article: FD>http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs Charles Angelich From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 17 10:56:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA10986 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id KAA09532 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:29:21 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman) Subject: Re: kermit dos and windows 95 Date: 17 Oct 1999 14:29:19 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ucmfv$99p$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , wrote: : FD>: I seem to recall reading that the 'set terminal apc on' and 'off' : FD>are : reversed or something? : : FD>Not that I know of. Can you please state the sequence of events : FD>that leads you to this conclusion? : : It auto-detects when I'm trying to upload and download and jumps to the : appropriate screen but with no directory information nor a filename to : upload. I exit and it restarts about 7-8 times before finally giving up. : : Version 3.14 does not do this using the same config files, just 3.16 beta : does this. Nothing I've tried will persuade kermit to wait for me to : define a filename and or path. MSK 3.15 support Autodownload in Terminal mode. set terminal autodownload {on, off} This is a separate mechanism than APCs. With authodownload the Kermit packets are recognized and processed as if a Kermit SERVER was operational. Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2 The Kermit Project * Columbia University 612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 http://www.kermit-project.org/k95.html * kermit-support@kermit-project.org From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 17 11:26:23 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA16459 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id LAA12096 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:18:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: C-kermit scripts to poll remote sites? Date: 17 Oct 1999 15:18:11 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7ucpbj$bpu$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article <380913E3.37DB2EF3@usit.net>, ERA wrote: : I just looked through the script repository - : : http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ckscripts.html : : - to see if there were any scripts upon which I could build a polling : process. Unfortunately I saw nothing. : : I will soon be in the process of upgrading a client with four store : locations and will need this script by late November, early December. : I'm recommending they buy c-kermit (OpenServer 5.0.5) for the polling : system at the main store and one of the remotes and DOS-Kermit (IBM : PC-DOS 2000) on two of the remotes. : : I don't look forward to trying to do this from scratch on top of all : the other upgrade work involved. If anyone has a polling script they : wish to share I would appreciate the help. I'm looking for something : with failsafes and redundancy for failed transmissions. E-mail me : anything you have or a message if you wish to discuss this with me. : TIA! : A fair chunk of Chapter 19 of the manual: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html is devoted to this topic. - Frank From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 17 16:26:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA19120 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA26544 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:13:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: "Eric J. Paulsen" Subject: Logging Data on ttyS1 with Kermit Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:13:07 -0500 To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I have a phone switch connected to my RH5.2 Linux box via a serial cable. It simply dumps phone usage data. I would like to have kermit upon system startup connect to /dev/ttyS1 and log all data to /var/log/phonelog. While I can get the connection started with a line like: kermit -l /dev/ttyS1 -b 4800 -c I'm not sure how to get kermit to write to the specified log file. Any help would be appreciated. TIA. Eric From news@columbia.edu Sun Oct 17 16:56:25 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA26324 for ; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id QAA27196 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:27:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: Logging Data on ttyS1 with Kermit Date: 17 Oct 1999 20:27:32 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7udbfk$qhp$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Eric J. Paulsen wrote: : I have a phone switch connected to my RH5.2 Linux box via a serial cable. It : simply dumps phone usage data. I would like to have kermit upon system : startup connect to /dev/ttyS1 and log all data to /var/log/phonelog. : : While I can get the connection started with a line like: : : kermit -l /dev/ttyS1 -b 4800 -c : : I'm not sure how to get kermit to write to the specified log file. Any help : would be appreciated. TIA. : Try this: kermit -C "set line /dev/ttyS1, set speed 4800, - log session /var/log/phonelog, input -1 XXXX" where "input -1" means "no time limit" and XXXX is some character string that will never come. (Note: the line is broken for news; put it all one one line). Better, however, to use a script. The following is for C-Kermit 7.0: ---(cut here)--- #!/usr/local/bin/wermit + set carrier-watch off ; If the device does not assert CD set modem type none set line /dev/ttyS1 if fail exit 1 Can't open /dev/ttyS1 set speed 4800 log session /var/log/phonelog append ; Append to this log file if fail exit 1 Can't open /var/log/phonelog input -1 SOME-STRING-THAT-WILL-NEVER-COME if fail exit 1 INPUT failed exit 0 ; Theoretically this statement will not be reached. ---(cut here)--- Cut out and save the script, if necessary change the first line to reflect the actual location of the C-Kermit 7.0 binary, give the script execute permission, and run it as if it were a shell script. Find C-Kermit 7.0 at: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck70.html - Frank From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 18 00:56:29 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA19217 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id AAA22760 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:55:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f Subject: [Q] how to take an action on closing network connection OR redefine a command From: Matt Swift Message-ID: Date: 18 Oct 1999 00:55:15 -0400 Organization: Shore.Net/Eco Software, Inc; (info@shore.net) To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu I want to use kermit to telnet to certain remote hosts via a local port forwarded by ssh ("tunnelling"). Suppose I want to telnet to my isp at shell.isp.com, and suppose I've defined `login' as a kermit macro which supplies user and password. This macro would bring up a normal, insecure connection: define isp - set host shell.isp.com,- login,- connect Now I want to redefine `isp' so that I can use it in the same way but it uses the tunelling method. Suppose I write a shell script `tunnel' that will establish the tunnel before exiting. define isp,- run tunnel start isp,- set host localhost:9000 /telnet,- login,- connect This works just fine, except that the tunnel must be shut down manually. I would like to improve this macro so that the tunnel will be closed (by taken the action `run tunnel stop isp') automatically when kermit closes the connection. I do not see that there is any direct way to do this with kermit, so I thought of redefining the `close' command. Unfortunately it does not seem possible. I tried: assign close-orig close define close - echo a message,- close-orig After this, `close' from the kermit prompt executes the command `close' as usual. It does not execute the macro `close' that I just defined. If I do this: define my-close - echo a message,- close-orig typing `my-close' from the kermit prompt works as expected. But this is not elegant or convenient IMO. I would much appreciate any advice on how to arrange that kermit will take a definable action when a network connection is closed with `close' -- or, prefereably, when it is closed for whatever reason, but I though that this was a bit too ambitious to try to accomplish. From news@columbia.edu Mon Oct 18 09:26:33 1999 Return-Path: Received: from newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.59.30]) by watsun.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA28303 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from news@localhost) by newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) id JAA04174 for kermit.misc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:18:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu: news set sender to using -f From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) Subject: Re: [Q] how to take an action on closing network connection OR redefine a command Date: 18 Oct 1999 13:18:33 GMT Organization: Columbia University Message-ID: <7uf6n9$429$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu> To: kermit.misc@columbia.edu In article , Matt Swift wrote: : I want to use kermit to telnet to certain remote hosts via a local : port forwarded by ssh ("tunnelling"). Suppose I want to telnet to my : isp at shell.isp.com, and suppose I've defined `login' as a kermit : macro which supplies user and password. This macro would bring up a : normal, insecure connection: : : define isp - : set host shell.isp.com,- : login,- : connect : : Now I want to redefine `isp' so that I can use it in the same way but : it uses the tunelling method. Suppose I write a shell script `tunnel' : that will establish the tunnel before exiting. : : define isp,- : run tunnel start isp,- : set host localhost:9000 /telnet,- : login,- : connect : As an aside, this would work very nicely in C-Kermit with: pipe ssh except that the UNIX ssh client does not use standard i/o. Go figure. (You can pipe rlogin, various telnet clients, cu, etc, but not ssh.) (And of course we can't put ssh in Kermit itself due to licensing and legal considerations.) : This works just fine, except that the tunnel must be shut down : manually. I would like to improve this macro so that the tunnel will : be closed (by taken the action `run tunnel stop isp') automatically : when kermit closes the connection. I do not see that there is any : direct way to do this with kermit, so I thought of redefining : the `close' command. Unfortunately it does not seem possible. I tried: : : assign close-orig close : define close - : echo a message,- : close-orig : : After this, `close' from the kermit prompt executes the command : `close' as usual. It does not execute the macro `close' that I just : defined. If I do this: : : define my-close - : echo a message,- : close-orig : : typing `my-close' from the kermit prompt works as expected. But this : is not elegant or convenient IMO. : You can't define a macro to supersede a built-in command. Imagine the mischief you could cause if you could... If you really want to execeute a macro whose name is the same as built-in command, use "do", as in "define close ..." and then "do close". : I would much appreciate any advice on how to arrange that kermit will : take a definable action when a network connection is closed with : `close' -- or, prefereably, when it is closed for whatever reason, but : I though that this was a bit too ambitious to try to accomplish. : Something like this maybe? (C-Kermit 7.0): define login