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amiga/news #3471, from amiller, 703 chars, Jun 10 01:26 93
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TITLE: Commodore No More?
Hmmm...
I logged on here tonight expecting the threads to be buzzing over the
News that commodore US have gone Bankrupt. But not a sausage to be
heard anywhere...
...very strange.
Apparantly it is true tho. It is now likely that some *very large*
electronics/entertainment firm will buy the Amiga product and
hopefully will continue its development. I wish the staff good luck
in finding new jobs.
On the positive side, Commodore seemed to be constantly criticsed for
F'ing up the marketting and development of the Ami so lets hope this
is a chance for the machine to evolve to new depths as It has allowed
our minds to do.
More ?
Heres to the new world of the Amiga...
Andy
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amiga/news #3472, from tricky, 76 chars, Jun 10 02:12 93
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That's news to me.
That'll teach me not to watch the US business news.
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amiga/news #3473, from ecarroll, 308 chars, Jun 10 07:04 93
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Quoting from earlier, amiller said:
> I logged on here tonight expecting the threads to be buzzing over the
> News that commodore US have gone Bankrupt. But not a sausage to be
> heard anywhere...
Where did you hear this, Andy? I've had CNN on in the background all
night and I didn't see a whisper.
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amiga/news #3474, from ariadne, 284 chars, Jun 10 08:14 93
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I don't think this is true. We've been expecting them to go Chapter
11 (not quite bankrupt) for a while now, but the last I heard they'd
done a deal with their major creditors allowing them to hold this off
while they restructured the company. You never can tell though...
Dave.
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amiga/news #3475, from miketodd, 3050 chars, Jun 10 10:25 93
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There seems to be a lot of rumours around in the US about Commodore
going under ... but it's not that uncommon a rumour, especially after
posting something like a $200M loss in the year to date (a lot of that
was due to stock write-off)
Commodore's shares have continued to tumble as the following extract
from CompuServe's market history shows:
COMMODORE INTL LTD
COM
Cusip: 20266010 Exchange: N Ticker: CBU
Friday Weeks Weeks Weeks Friday
Date Volume High/Ask Low/Bid Close/Avg
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More ? 3/05/93 592,700 5 5/8 5 1/4 5 3/8
3/12/93 1,054,800 5 3/8 4 3/4 5 1/4
3/19/93 733,400 5 5/8 5 1/8 5 1/2
3/26/93 446,900 5 1/2 5 5
4/02/93 293,900 5 1/8 4 7/8 4 7/8
4/09/93 303,900 5 1/8 4 7/8 4 7/8 #
4/16/93 579,700 5 4 3/8 4 5/8
4/23/93 520,600 5 4 1/4 4 1/2
4/30/93 352,700 4 1/2 4 1/4 4 1/4
5/07/93 792,400 4 3/8 3 1/2 3 5/8
5/14/93 757,700 4 1/2 3 5/8 4 3/8
5/21/93 398,400 4 1/2 4 4 1/8
5/28/93 643,900 4 1/4 3 3/4 4
6/04/93 2,434,100 3 3/8 2 5/8 3
6/09/93* 675,700 3 1/4 2 7/8 3 1/8
* indicates a partial period
# indicates 'last' is from an earlier date in the period
It's interesting to see the moving of nearly 2.5 million shares last
week ... that's out of a total share issue of 33 million. If you look
More ? back over Commodore's history, the shares were nearly $20 in 1989, they
went down to about $5 in September 1990, rose to nearly $21 in April 1991,
dropped to just under $11 in September 1991 and then hit another peak in
January 1992 of $19.
Since then it has dropped steadily (and almost linearly!) to its present
value of $3 a share.
And, at only $3 a share it seems like it could be an excellent investment
if you thought that Commodore was going to be taken over.
If anyone is seriously interested, I can put a graph together of CBM's
share prices since November 1988 (I'd offer to upload the complete list
of weekly prices, but I can't as they're part of a copyright collection)
Putting Commodore into perspective, they had $120M sales last quarter,
Atari had only $10M (and the other rival, NeXT, is no more, at least in
hardware) ... but, on the down-side, sales were 40% off predictions and
Amiga sales were down $25, and the current stock price is considered by
some as very near "death level".
Finally, I've put a tag into the CompuServe news agency feeds to give
More ? me all business stories that have anything to do with Commodore so I'll
keep a watchful eye on that over the next few days just in case there
is any news.
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amiga/news #3476, from toby, 580 chars, Jun 10 13:01 93
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ecarroll said:
> > I logged on here tonight expecting the threads to be buzzing over the
> > News that commodore US have gone Bankrupt. But not a sausage to be
> > heard anywhere...
>
> Where did you hear this, Andy? I've had CNN on in the background all
> night and I didn't see a whisper.
I don't think this is true. If it was we would have heard. Most of us have
heard rumours about this sort of thing recently, but CBM have managed to
avoid Chapter 11 and do a major restructure (Which also explains the
information that we hear about peoples jobs changing/going).
toby
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amiga/news #3477, from dunno, 191 chars, Jun 10 13:34 93
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>Where did you hear this, Andy? I've had CNN on in the background all
>night and I didn't see a whisper.
I heard it via the Sysop of a BBS, he's usually right about
such things.
Mark
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amiga/news #3478, from index, 180 chars, Jun 10 15:50 93
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> News that commodore US have gone Bankrupt. But not a sausage to be
Commodore US is not Commodore International Ltd. CBM US is a company
with the same standing as CBM UK.
Mick
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amiga/news #3479, from ksummers, 231 chars, Jun 10 19:34 93
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>> commodore US have gone Bankrupt.
This weeks Computing magazine mentions this, it also says,
paraphrasing here coz mag at work, they were able to do some
accounting things to prevent them having to file for chapter 11.
--Ken
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amiga/news #3480, from amiller, 73 chars, Jun 10 21:09 93
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amiga/news #3481, from amiller, 212 chars, Jun 10 21:14 93
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Now thats what I call well informed.
The message on BBBBBBS said commodore US filed for Chapter 11 last
week and went under on tuesday of this. It is almost certain that the
assets/company will be snapped up.
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amiga/news #3482, from amiller, 17 chars, Jun 10 21:15 93
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see message 3481
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amiga/news #3483, from index, 836 chars, Jun 10 21:19 93
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Thanks for the info Mike.
The 2.5M share move was when the quarter results were published, its
the sort of reaction I would have expected from volatile owners. The
results were much worse than those posted in most financial summaries
on cbm. The previous quarter also caused some movement, but the
results then were much as expected (although sales were low).
I can also do a graph of cbm share values:
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amiga/news #3484, from miketodd, 260 chars, Jun 10 22:08 93
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Remember that filing a Chapter 11 and going bankrupt are not
the same thing by any means! Although a Chapter 11 is often one step
on the way.
There is currently no evidence for these reports, and I think it
may have come from speculation rather than fact.
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amiga/news #3485, from sgoddy, 150 chars, Jun 10 22:39 93
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You had a lot more success with CIS than I did! I spent ages trying to dig
out share price information from there. Gave up in the end.
Steve the G
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amiga/news #3486, from miketodd, 711 chars, Jun 10 22:46 93
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But their stock is still trading, albeit at very low values. I doubt
if that would be happening (a) if they'd filed Chap11 or (b) they'd
gone bankrupt.
I have also hunted through most of the major online US business and financial
publications for the past 6 months (most of them up-to-date within a day or so)
and can find absolutely no mention of Commodore either considering Chapter 11,
bankruptcy or anything else.
So, based on this evidence, it is my view that the rumours are totally
inaccurate. That's not to say it _won't_ happen, just that it hasn't happened
as this BBBBBBBBBs reports. I would only pay any attention to such a
report if it were given some corroboration, or at least a reference.
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amiga/news #3487, from jhawkins, 218 chars, Jun 10 23:23 93
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Stop listening to brain-dead sysops on bulletin boards. The facts are:
1) C= is not bankrupt
2) C= has not filed for Chapter 11
This position was stated in my hearing by a C= Vice-President 30 hours
ago.
--- Jim
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amiga/news #3488, from ariadne, 540 chars, Jun 11 08:41 93
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See message 3474. At risk of repeating, there appears to be no truth
at all in this rumour. C= (international) WERE in real danger of
chapter 11, largely as a result of falling PeeCee sales, but they seem
to have fought it off by cutting back (a lot of C= national
subsidiaries ARE closing), restructuring, and doing a deal with their
major creditor. This info comes direct from Dave Pleasance (1/2 MD of
C= UK) - you may choose to believe a BBS instead, but if I were you
I'd start looking for supporting evidence. Dave.
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amiga/news #3489, from jralph, 176 chars, Jun 11 09:35 93
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According to my sources this rumour was started by Atari as a last-ditched
attack to try and prevent CBM making an impact into their *massive* Atari
Falcon sales :-)
Jolyon
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amiga/news #3490, from toby, 571 chars, Jun 11 10:28 93
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amiller said:
> The message on BBBBBBS said commodore US filed for Chapter 11 last
> week and went under on tuesday of this. It is almost certain that the
> assets/company will be snapped up.
I think the message was mis-informed. If this genuinely was the case, we
would have heard for sure by now. No facts have arisen. I would have
thought that Commodore would at all costs avoid Chapter 11 (Which is only
the first stage of bankrupcy) as other people would get to restructure
their company for them. I really don't think that CBM have gone for Chapter
11.
toby
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amiga/news #3492, from pdarton, 187 chars, Jun 11 11:32 93
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ISTR that chapter 11 means that they have effectively called in the
receivers, but they do the job of the receivers as well, thus they remain
in control of everything (perhaps).
PJ
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amiga/news #3493, from pdarton, 112 chars, Jun 11 11:32 93
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I hate to sound cynical, but thats what vice-presidents are _meant_ to say.
Did you get it in writing?
PJ
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amiga/news #3494, from gh, 140 chars, Jun 11 11:40 93
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And no local reports on the news around West Chester, so it's pretty
unlikely, since it's one of the biggest employers in a badly hit area
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This was also the position stated by a chappie from Commodore UK as of 5:30
last night.
Richard B.
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amiga/news #3496, from gh, 239 chars, Jun 11 11:44 93
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*rolls eyeballs*
C'mon, if you seriously think C= USA have gone under, you're barking
mad. Filing chapter 11 is public. There have been news stories about
this possibility on the business news in Philly, but it certainly
hasn't happened.
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Ok Ok... lets get this straight shall we?
UNLESS SOMEONE CAN PROVIDE SOME CONCRETE EVIDENCE THAT COMMDORE HAVE GONE
TO CHAPTER 11, CAN WE ALL STOP RUMOUR MONGERING PLEASE? A MESSAGE ON A BBS
IS _NOT_ SUITABLE. >>FACTS<<
*!*!*!*!*!*
Commodore has NOT gone chapter 11. Commodore is NOT bankrupt.
*!*!*!*!*!*
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amiga/news #3498, from snouty, 12 chars, Jun 11 13:09 93
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ARF!
snout
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amiga/news #3499, from jralph, 44 chars, Jun 11 14:36 93
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Oooh.. That's nasty (but true...)
Jolyon
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amiga/news #3500, from toby, 37 chars, Jun 11 16:32 93
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I know, I couldn't resist it. :-)
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amiga/news #3501, from dmansell, 168 chars, Jun 11 18:23 93
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If you want to see "tumble", you should have seen Symantec shares over a
3 month period towards the end of last year:
43 -> 30 -> 21 -> 14 -> 7 -> 5
now back to $17
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amiga/news #3502, from dj, 431 chars, Jun 11 18:49 93
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No. Chapter 11 is the last ditch mode of recovery for a US company.
Filing from Chapter 11 means that the company has applied for
protection from it's creditors whilst complying with court
requirements on reporting progress to satisfy both creditors and
shareholders whilst keeping the company afloat. Chapter 11 often
means the company will be radically restructuring their operations,
but can't duck out of their obligations.
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amiga/news #3503, from imoran, 88 chars, Jun 11 19:47 93
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I bet that Barrett chap is having a good time on Usenet at the moment
:-)
--- Ian
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imoran said:
> I bet that Barrett chap is having a good time on Usenet at the moment
> :-)
And I bet everyone is taking the piss out of him and generally abusing him,
as normal! :-)
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amiga/news #3505, from waspy, 60 chars, Jun 12 19:17 93
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Do you know the origin of the infamous MB Toby?
Richard
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amiga/news #3507, from deana, 160 chars, Jun 13 14:38 93
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Perhaps this topic should have an flist? I don't really appreciate having
to download a load of old news.... especially when it's a bloody long
message.
Dean
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amiga/news #3508, from dwindera, 93 chars, Jun 13 15:10 93
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I just copped it and withdrew it. Far too long for a topic of this
nature.
Wavey Davey
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amiga/news #3509, from toby, 118 chars, Jun 13 16:47 93
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waspy said:
> Do you know the origin of the infamous MB Toby?
I don't, actually. Would be interested to know tho'!
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Whoops,
Sorry guys - guess it was a bit on the large size (ooh matron!).
I know better now.
Rob
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amiga/news #3512, from miketodd, 680 chars, Jun 14 15:05 93
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Hey come on!! There's no need to berate me, Jim!! I wasn't listening
to any sysops on any bulletin board ... I was picked up on a message from
someone here who had reported what he'd heard and pointing out that there
was absolutely no evidence whatsoever to support the story.
On the other hand, if any company was on the verge of Chap11 or going
bankrupt, the word of any senior executive of any company (or indeed anyone
else in a privileged position) would be about the _last_ word I would trust.
It could be financial suicidal if nothing else.
But, as I say, the shares are still trading and there's no obvious
signs of problems (other than the rock-bottom share price)
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amiga/news #3513, from miketodd, 1466 chars, Jun 14 15:05 93
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If Commodore had applied for Chapter 11, that would be a public fact and
would be obvious ... if Commodore had gone bankrupt, that too would be obvious.
But ... if someone has heard (whether rumour or otherwise) that a company
has gone down this road, then it is right to investigate ... and then post
the evidence (which is what I did right at the begining). It takes a while on
CIX for people to see and digest that, and the other evidence ... so it will
naturally take a few days for the spirits to fly.
Bearing in mind that Commodore has considered Chapter 11 more than once
before, and when it was in better transient financial shape than it is at the
moment, then a rumour of this sort is very believable ... I don't think
shouting, stamping feet or abusing people is the right way to kill such a
rumour.
As I said before, there is absolutely no evidence of Ch11 or bankruptcy,
but that doesn't mean that it won't happen now, next month or in 10 years
More ? time ... it also doesn't mean it will! But, with the massive layoffs of
key staff at West Chester, it is beginning to look as though Commodore is
going to struggle from the technology-development angle but may well be
leaner and meaner (from the <spit> marketing angle) either as a means to
try to recover their position or to make themselves attractive for take-over.
Few people will really know the truth and you can be as sure as eggs-is-eggs
those that do are not going to say anything to anyone.
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amiga/news #3514, from miketodd, 691 chars, Jun 14 15:05 93
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Share prices couldn't be easier ... if you know the ticker-tape code
(Commodore is CBU), you just type at any ! prompt QUOTE CBU and you'll
get the current price. XBP if the UK pound, so you can also get the
pound/dollar rates.
If you want anything other than the current price you'll have to GO PRICES
and it will prompt for the code, ask you the period you wnat to see,
and display it ... but be warned, you'll be charged at $0.05 a quote.
I'm not sure if this requires you to be a member of their Executive
Option, but that doesn't cost anything (although there is some different
in monthly minimums or something similar) so I have it anyway, as it also
gives several other benefits.
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amiga/news #3515, from jhawkins, 100 chars, Jun 14 15:25 93
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I was commenting to the original message - not to you, Mike. What you
said was sensible.
--- Jim
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amiga/news #3516, from astevenson, 64 chars, Jun 14 19:13 93
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No apology necessary.
I thought it was *fascinating*.
Andrew.
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amiga/news #3517, from miketodd, 214 chars, Jun 14 21:23 93
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Sorry to be a bit tetchy ... but your message was commented to my
message so I assumed you were aiming it at me.
It's been a tough weekend at work and I'm a little tired :-)
BTW - CBU shares now down to $2.75
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amiga/news #3518, from amiller, 367 chars, Jun 14 23:18 93
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>I was commenting to the original message - not to you, Mike. What you
>said was sensible.
Your attitude still left a lot to be desired tho. We cant all have
meetings with CBM to confirm the truth or otherwise about stories
from a perfectly sound BBS. Hell, some of us cant even get a rep to
repair the machine within six weeks of the fault being reported.
Andy
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amiga/news #3519, from jhawkins, 192 chars, Jun 15 00:40 93
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You attitude was that I, and everybody else who responded several times
to point out that this story was untrue, were either ignorant or stupid.
So let's believe the BBs in future.
--- Jim
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amiga/news #3520, from gh, 921 chars, Jun 15 00:45 93
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But plenty of quite ordinary Joe Bloggs types like me made use of
contacts we do have to ascertain the value of the rumours, and while
I appreciate that not everybody has friends that can report from
local to the supposed happenings, enough was being said here to make
it fairly plain that rumours of C='s death were greatly exaggerated.
To continue to play the classic British doom and gloom line for no
good reason just seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
So, can we stop now? Yes, C= have major problems, and they are doing
some quite obvious things in order to restructure. However, getting
all worked up about an over-zealous bit of paranoia isn't going to
change things, and isn't going to gain any perspective into what the
directors are doing in order to ensure the survival of a most
considerable international organisation.
To cap it all, it's not 'news'. Heck, it doesn't even mention the
Royal Family...
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amiga/news #3521, from amiller, 525 chars, Jun 15 01:42 93
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>You attitude was that I, and everybody else who responded several times
>to point out that this story was untrue, were either ignorant or stupid.
>
where did you get this from Jim, do you have some sort of Cixth Cense?
I started the rumour, congratulated mike on his info and clarified what
the BBS has said.
You went OTT, for a change.
>So let's believe the BBs in future.
>
Until we all can finely hone our Cixth sense to your level lets at least
discuss and try a little computerised information exchange.
More ?
Andy
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amiga/news #3522, from amiller, 285 chars, Jun 15 01:42 93
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>
>To continue to play the classic British doom and gloom line for no
>good reason just seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.
>
and thats something your displaying quite a talent for.
Take it from someone who is not in the know, the thread has been useful
and informative.
Andy
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amiga/news #3523, from jhawkins, 294 chars, Jun 15 02:04 93
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Read through the thread. You were quite right to post the original
message, but seem to be ignoring the many well-informed responses. It's
not 'OTT' to insist that the record is put straight on this, because
the statement on the BBS was wrong, and damaging, and technically a
libel.
--- Jim
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amiga/news #3524, from ariadne, 322 chars, Jun 15 07:49 93
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I fail to see how passing on unverified, untrue rumours, refusing to
believe better-informed people who correct you, then railing and
bitching at them for daring to BE better informed, counts as
"computerised information exchange". The expression "waste of
bandwidth" seems to come a lot closer. Dave.
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amiga/news #3525, from toby, 274 chars, Jun 15 12:45 93
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amiller said:
> Take it from someone who is not in the know, the thread has been useful
> and informative.
And as far as the rumours go, in the most part the thread has been
infactual. Something that several people have pointed out several times,
myself included.
toby
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amiga/news #3526, from deana, 517 chars, Jun 15 13:17 93
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> And as far as the rumours go, in the most part the thread has been
> infactual. Something that several people have pointed out several times,
Not so much 'infactual', more like 'bloody boring and totally irrelevant'.
The reasons why it _is_ ok for ICPUG to do what they want in their own
conference have been stated by several people, who have all been totally
correct.
This thread is taking up too much bandwidth, and it should be stamped on
as it's become tedious/pointless/crap (delete as applicable)
Dean
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amiga/news #3527, from dj, 113 chars, Jun 15 13:20 93
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Scuse Dean, but the ICPUG argument is in 2lounge. You are in the
bogus rumours about Commodores death thread....
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amiga/news #3528, from deana, 205 chars, Jun 15 15:44 93
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> Scuse Dean, but the ICPUG argument is in 2lounge. You are in the
> bogus rumours about Commodores death thread....
Oh... oh...... oh bollocks..!
[FX: Falls back to sleep... zzzzzz... zzzzz... ]
Dean
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amiga/news #3529, from toby, 217 chars, Jun 15 16:04 93
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CIX Main Menu:
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Please select thread:
1. ICPUG PD Argument.
2. In-Accurate rumours about Commodores death which are "informative"
Option: 1
(Opps, pressed the wrong button there Dean)
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amiga/news #3530, from deana, 426 chars, Jun 15 16:56 93
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>
> Please select thread:
> 1. ICPUG PD Argument.
> 2. In-Accurate rumours about Commodores death which are "informative"
> Option: 1
> (Oops, pressed the wrong button there Dean)
I don't give a sh*te. _Both_ threads are equally pointless and boring. In
fact so boring that they made me fall into a trance and comment to the
wrong one....
And no, I'm not in a trance now.... I'm naturally like this... :)
Dean
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amiga/news #3531, from jralph, 230 chars, Jun 15 17:36 93
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Title:Warning!
Anyone leaving interesting messages in the Amiga conference is
liable to be autojoined to alt.amiga. Judging by the performance
recently there isn't much danger of that though.....
You have been warned..
Jolyon
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amiga/news #3532, from astevenson, 132 chars, Jun 15 18:57 93
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Given that the only interesting message got withdrawn, maybe this
topic should be renamed the 'goodnewsonly' topic... ;-)
Andrew.
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amiga/news #3533, from chilli, 31 chars, Jun 15 19:47 93
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{Teddy thrown in corner alert}
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amiga/news #3534, from tricky, 60 chars, Jun 16 00:43 93
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Probably the first OLR cross-topic threading problem :-)
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amiga/news #3535, from amiller, 1013 chars, Jun 16 00:50 93
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>
>... but seem to be ignoring the many well-informed responses.
Buts that the point. I have not ignored them. I *appreciate* the
well informed information, its why I subscribe to CIX. I can only
assume you turned on the "jump to conclusion" flag in Nicola , or is
it Lucy?
I have re-read the thread, and from the point of view of someone who
gets his info off BBSs (including CIX) the thread seemed to be fine
with lots of counter comments, *well informed facts*, explanations of
the rumour, conjecture and conclusions. What more does a thread need?
Then theres a sudden change of approach where yourself and a few others
seem to put on your *sad* old school teacher hat with a "dont be so
miss-informed/stupid/stubborn/childish, I know better" attitude.
More ?
Before you know it the thread goes off on the fimiliar tangent of
boring analysis of what was said and why with others chipping in with
comments of "boring", "STFU" and "waste of bandwith".
No more comments in thread... (for me at least)
Andy.
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amiga/news #3536, from amiller, 677 chars, Jun 16 00:50 93
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>
>I fail to see how passing on unverified, untrue rumours.
>
Deep down in my subconcious I was seeking verification of a rumour,
using the facilities available to me, CIX.
> refusing to
>believe better-informed people who correct you
>
I dont, I subscribe to CIX for just such information. See reply to Jim
for further comments (if you can spare the bandwith)
>then railing and
>bitching at them for daring to BE better informed,
I was expressing dissaproval of the attitude in which the information
has hammered home, not of the passing of information.
More ?
>I fail to see....
Just about sums it up really. Perhaps youve been sold an Off-Line-Assumer
by accident?
Andy
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amiga/news #3537, from jhawkins, 107 chars, Jun 16 01:31 93
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I've had about as much as I can stand of this so I'm resigning from
most amiga topics. Goodbye.
--- Jim
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amiga/news #3538, from ariadne, 398 chars, Jun 16 09:42 93
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And you fail to understand the nature of CIX. It's a social medium,
and if you bore and piss people off the way you've been doing they'll
just walk away from you, the way Jim has done, the way I'm about to
do. I'm also resigning most of the amiga topics - anyone wanting to
talk sensibly about Amiga etc can find me in alt.amiga and the adsp
conferencess. 'Bye now... Dave.
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amiga/news #3539, from deana, 261 chars, Jun 16 12:00 93
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> talk sensibly about Amiga etc can find me in alt.amiga and the adsp
> conferencess. 'Bye now... Dave.
See you in there, Dave. That bloody AmigaShopper offer has a lot to answer
for....
[FX: Resigns everything except 2programming]
Dean
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amiga/news #3540, from miketodd, 2253 chars, Jun 16 12:27 93
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And the first person to mention a cross-threaded screw will be
banished!
I'll probably get a lot of abuse for this ... but here goes anyway.
Seriously, I'm truly appalled at the way people have jumped down
the throat of someone who is not one of the higher-elite in this
conference. I've re-read the thread several times, and it started out
very good natured ... Andy read a comment about C= going down,
made one comment and several people came in to express their view that
there was no evidence to support this and it was about to end there.
Andy's second contribution simply explained where it had come from,
and gave a little more of what the message said. Then people started
berating him and others for listening to stupid rumours because _they_
knew better because _they_ were amongst an elite with contacts at the
More ? top, and those contacts were not confirming such as story ... and then some
comments were made along the lines of "they would say that wouldn't they".
The people that have made the thread (and thus the rumours) more
heavy weight are those that have berating everyone else for believing
or spreading the rumours ... sometimes calmly, sometimes with abuse and
venom.
What is interesting is that most of the hatefeel (I'm sure the Germans must
have a word for it :-) coming out in the thread has come from people reading
things into the thread that really just aren't there). For instance, Andy
has never "ignored" the responses that came in ... indeed, in the "rumour"
department his only message was the first, plus a very brief follow up
in response to something I said (in which he actually says it was "well
informed", implying to me that he accepted the fact that C= wasn't going
under)
Stamping feet, throwing tantrums and just plain lack of common courtesy
coupled with arrogance and contempt, is an awful way to treat the
man-in-the-street.
Sorry to be so harsh ... but this has blown up out of all proportion. Not
More ? by anything the at the start of the thread, but by those trying to kick
the living daylights out of the rumour. And remember that a rumour is only
a rumour to those that know it's a rumour!!!!
PS ... this is not really a comment to tricky's message! But is a tirade
against the whole thread.
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amiga/news #3541, from dwindera, 92 chars, Jun 16 13:32 93
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Perhaps that posting can signal an end to the thread?
Let's hope so.....
Wavey Davey
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amiga/news #3542, from grahame, 699 chars, Jun 16 15:29 93
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> [FX: Resigns everything except 2programming]
This is all bloody sad, isn't it - one major thread about limiting PD,
and another one which is limiting the expertise available outside of
closed conferences, (and I can certainly understand why people are
resigning this one).
I joined CIX to help me ramp up my Amiga skills to the point where I
can start doing some useful software. I want the Amiga to present a
continued viable alternative to MS-dos derived systems, and I want to
contribute to that. The participation of experienced Amiga users is
vital to this process for me and for anyone else trying to learn.
So please, may I put in a plea for moderation and for Moderation.
More ? Grahame.
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amiga/news #3543, from hhl, 70 chars, Jun 16 15:41 93
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I'm not resigning in case I miss something. Then again...
Gary F.
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amiga/news #3544, from dwindera, 423 chars, Jun 16 16:14 93
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Your plea for Moderation is answered.
A Moderator speaks:
These two threads are now dead, official, fact:
1) ICPUG's files policy
2) Commodore's demise
Any further comments to these two threads will be dealt with by the
Moderators, well, as soon as I get back from the girlfriends birthday
party anyway :) I'm going as Will Scarlet due to my red hair. It's a
Robin hood theme party --- oh de lally!
More ?
Wavey Davey
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amiga/news #3545, from jralph, 914 chars, Jun 16 16:33 93
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It's sad, but an unfortunate inevitability of overcrowding. *exactly* the
same thing has made Usenet and Fidonet totally useless - too many questions
and the experts can't devote enough time (if any) to answer them.
What's happened now is that many of the CIX Amiga 'old guard' have formed
a new conference, alt.amiga, to discuss things in small numbers.
Now that there are so many Amiga users on CIX it is time we had more smaller
dedicated Amiga topics (eg Amiga_DTP, Amiga_3d, Amiga_Fidonet) for those
with interest in these topics. The Amiga conference is too big and busy
for many of us to keep up with now...
Having said that, anyone wishing to join alt.amiga need only mail one of
the moderators (me included), and I certainly intend to stay in the 'serious'
amiga topics (including this one) to answer questions when I can.
More ? Just don't start stupid threads in them, or I'll resign those too...
Jolyon
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amiga/news #3546, from pdarton, 14 chars, Jun 16 19:08 93
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Que?
PJ
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amiga/news #3547, from sod, 117 chars, Jun 16 19:59 93
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Well said indeed! People ARE often wrong and shouldn't be crucified
least of all after they admit their mistakes!!!
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amiga/news #3548, from ksummers, 808 chars, Jun 16 20:15 93
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>This is all bloody sad, isn't it
agreed, although, for what it's worth (FX: a slap in the head?), I'm
not sure why people are getting so uptight about this topic. It
started as a comment/news blah blah blah, been there, done that, but
isn't this topic supposed to be about news (forgive me if I'm wrong).
I do see that, in this instance, a quick response to correct
misinformation is in order but surely resigning from confrences is
going a bit far, and possibly also a tad elitist.
This is not intended to blame anyone or try to keep a thread going,
it's just that the last couple of comments made me shake my head in
wonder.
To anybody who read this far, thanks for getting this far, it's still
sad though, REALLY.
More ? >So please, may I put in a plea for moderation and for Moderation.
ditto
--Ken
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amiga/news #3549, from freebooter, 221 chars, Jun 16 20:17 93
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Hey, amiller, if you hear any more juicy rumours then please continue
to post them......before this thread I thought all was hunk-dory with
Commodore. They are obviously in deep shit. Bring back Jack Tramiels I
say.
fb
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amiga/news #3551, from miketodd, 62 chars, Jun 16 20:58 93
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I think it was an allusion to the tantrums being thrown :-)
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amiga/news #3552, from miketodd, 126 chars, Jun 16 20:58 93
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Commodore shares are fractionally up at the moment ... $2.875.
If there's an interest, I'll post the prices every so often.
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amiga/news #3554, from ging, 37 chars, Jun 16 21:09 93
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Perfectly said, Jolyon.
Graeme :)
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amiga/news #3555, from kholland, 482 chars, Jun 16 21:33 93
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If the share prices can't be posted in amiga/news, where else? Carry on
please. Just don't everybody start shouting again..... I've got a headache
now :-(
Shame about the "old guard" though. If people are unable to get answers to
their (sometimes obvious, sometimes not) questions on cix, all we'll be left
with is a lot of uninformed users chatting and getting nowhere fast. I for
one didn't join for that!
|/
|\en (a uninformed user of long standing, but learning fast.)
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amiga/news #3556, from mgeorge, 309 chars, Jun 16 22:55 93
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grahame said:
>
> I want the Amiga to present a
> continued viable alternative to MS-dos derived systems, and I want to
> contribute to that. The participation of experienced Amiga users is
> vital to this process for me and for anyone else trying to learn.
>
Here, here - My feelings exactly.
/X\ike G
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amiga/news #3557, from robaxter, 128 chars, Jun 17 01:16 93
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>
>See you in there, Dave. That bloody AmigaShopper offer has a lot to
answer >for.... >
Was that a humourous comment?
Rob
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amiga/news #3558, from amiller, 9 chars, Jun 17 01:53 93
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100 %
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amiga/news #3559, from amiller, 171 chars, Jun 17 02:20 93
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>grahame said:
>>
>> The participation of experienced Amiga users is vital
>
>Here, here - My feelings exactly.
Ditto, but dont forget the developers too :-)
Andy
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amiga/news #3560, from amiller, 297 chars, Jun 17 02:20 93
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>
>Was that a humourous comment?
>
I took it to be rebuff of the *excellent* magazines attempt to bring
the benefits of on-line amiga to a wider audience.
... posibly because he failed to recognize the potential benefits a
wider audience can bring to on-line amiga. IMVHO of course.
Andy
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amiga/news #3561, from miketodd, 1876 chars, Jun 17 10:06 93
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I think the whole thing is very sad, and amazingly childish. But I
suppose that those who created the conflict in the thread have a
substantial investment in Commodore's continuing existnce. But if
their attitude is the same towards their customers they may not
survive anyway ... or maybe they were just trying to find an excuse
to leave the amiga conference and stay within the clique? Anyway,
it is very sad indeed ... especially among people I considered
friends.
Anyway, at the risk of invoking more wrath, I have several
communications from the USA, and I've tried to pull together an
as-uncontroversial-as-possible selection of the news so far (but
some of this _is_ speculation on the part of people who have a right
to speculate ... i.e. people inside Commodore and the US business
community)
More ?
For a start, Commodore's shares closed at $3 last night.
About 90 people were laid off in West Chester last week, as part of
Commodore's restructuring ... and that included about half of the CATS
(the Technical Support) staff.
In the last quarter, Commodore lost more money per share than the stock
itself is worth, and it is this which led to a great deal of speculation
in the business community in the USA, and which has prompted the
re-orientation of the company.
There are rumours in the business community too that something a little
fishy has been going on, and that Gould and Medhi may have been manipulating
share prices ... which could lead to an investigation into their activities.
There is also some conflict between Gould and Medhi about who should
control the company (but this wouldn't be the first time) ... but the
general view in the American business community is that Commodore will survive
the current situation in one form or another, although (again, not for the
first time) there is a lot of talk about another company buying them out.
More ?
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amiga/news #3562, from drgaz, 82 chars, Jun 17 11:06 93
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Thanks for the posting Mike - at least someone's keeping us up to date!
Gary
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amiga/news #3563, from jhedger, 6 chars, Jun 17 12:04 93
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ROFL!
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amiga/news #3564, from ecarroll, 144 chars, Jun 17 17:37 93
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Thanks for the update, Mike. I'm sure there are a lot of others here
without access to the US networks that appreciate the info as well.
Eddy
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amiga/news #3565, from miketodd, 201 chars, Jun 17 18:53 93
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You're welcome ... I've put "tracers" into a variety of news feeds as
well, so that I'll get any Commodore-related news if it comes in.
Incidentally, the shares dropped back to $2.875 this morning.
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amiga/news #3566, from dj, 96 chars, Jun 17 19:40 93
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In other words just like it has always been with Commodore since they
shipped the 2001-8...
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amiga/news #3567, from ksummers, 55 chars, Jun 17 21:04 93
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Thanks for the info, I for one appreciate it.
--Ken
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amiga/news #3568, from shuntera, 184 chars, Jun 17 21:35 93
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If half of the CATS staff were laid off how does that affect future
versions of the OS. Do the CATS staff actually work on Workbench or is
that another part of the company?
Stuart
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amiga/news #3569, from miketodd, 25 chars, Jun 17 21:42 93
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Plus ca change ... :-)
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amiga/news #3570, from astevenson, 107 chars, Jun 17 21:51 93
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I echo that sentiment.
It came as a real suprise to me that Commodore were so near
bankruptcy.
Andrew.
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amiga/news #3571, from pdarton, 361 chars, Jun 17 21:52 93
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I found the comment rather hurtful (being one who joined after finding cix
through the magazine).
And there I was thinking the 'world of comms' was a friendly place.
I appreciate the points that were made, but IMO the best way to kill a
thread is not to comment on it, or to mail the problem people directly.
That way it reduces 'bandwidth' wastage.
PJ
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amiga/news #3572, from index, 23 chars, Jun 17 23:21 93
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Yes please Mike.
Mick
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amiga/news #3573, from amiller, 15 chars, Jun 17 23:37 93
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Ditto
Andy
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amiga/news #3574, from chilli, 56 chars, Jun 18 09:54 93
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Thanks for that bit of dare I say 'informative' news...
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amiga/news #3575, from bperryman, 198 chars, Jun 18 11:58 93
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I found it to pompous, arrogant and ignorant (being one who joined after
finding cix through the magazine).
If the writer really has resigned, then good riddance, 'cos it's better off
without him.
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amiga/news #3576, from ecarroll, 251 chars, Jun 18 13:17 93
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CATS don't _directly_ affect the OS development. AFAIK, they do some of
the testing for it. Their main role is to support Amiga developers,
evangelise the Amiga to potential new developers, write articles for
Amiga mail, organise Devcons, etc.
Eddy
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amiga/news #3577, from jhedger, 12 chars, Jun 18 14:11 93
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Agreed! ! !
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amiga/news #3578, from sanjeev, 259 chars, Jun 18 19:50 93
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TITLE: Sony take over Lemmings
I remember reading a couple of weeks ago in the Guardian that
Sony Electronics had taken over Psynosis. I'm not sure is this is
true as none of the Amiga mags mentioned it this month. Can
anyone confirm this for sure?
Sanj
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amiga/news #3579, from jack, 135 chars, Jun 19 00:08 93
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If it hadn't been true I wouldn't have written it -- or at least,
there would have been a correction the following week :-)
Rgds, Jack
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amiga/news #3580, from kholland, 164 chars, Jun 19 00:53 93
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Ditto to the 'hurtful' bit. I previously had a lot of respect for
those guys. Now? (Still, maybe the remark was made out of 25 worth of
jealousy:-)
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amiga/news #3581, from arabella, 472 chars, Jun 19 02:17 93
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In German vwe have the expression like "bitter grapes" which is here
perhaps correct. From whot buch anyway is this "Chapter 11" I demand?
Are
they all fearful that the new typers will Cix dominate? So. I am
reading
interested with all the messages from amiller even if from Austria!
There is a German proverb -- "Size is not important or a cow would
catch
a rabbit."
We will more news have without silly boys - even if some of it is
wrong.
Arabella (von Daimler)
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amiga/news #3582, from amiller, 87 chars, Jun 19 03:10 93
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Greetings! you have an excellent way with words.
And a lovely name to match.
Andy
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amiga/news #3583, from rodcrux, 196 chars, Jun 19 03:27 93
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> There is a German proverb -- "Size is not important or a cow would
> catch
> a rabbit."
Thinking I am that you are having the private informations of Herr amiller?
Rod, from the Clinic (*)(*)
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amiga/news #3584, from jhawkes, 17 chars, Jun 19 13:06 93
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*ROAR!*
>B-)
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amiga/news #3585, from pwalker, 52 chars, Jun 19 13:35 93
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> Arabella (von Daimler)
Welcome
Piers Walker
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amiga/news #3586, from team17, 40 chars, Jun 19 14:19 93
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It`s true.
Martyn/T17
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amiga/news #3587, from sanjeev, 142 chars, Jun 19 14:28 93
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Do you have any details on the changes that Psynosis may being
taking due to this takeover. Will they become a console only
company?
Sanj
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amiga/news #3588, from sod, 395 chars, Jun 19 14:55 93
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Maybe the conference will suffer in the short term. But in the long
term .... I think not. As you say, you are learning fast, I'm
learning fast, it wont be long before there are another pool of
'experts' to help answer people's problems.
Hopefully, in the meantime, we can get over this 'elitist' nonsense
and get back to real computing enthusiasts.
Andy (doesn't have a fancy signature!!!)
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amiga/news #3589, from kholland, 49 chars, Jun 19 17:49 93
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Hi Arabella, nice to hear from you.
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amiga/news #3590, from kholland, 147 chars, Jun 19 17:49 93
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>Andy (doesn't have a fancy signature!!!)
>
But _does_ have a good nickname :-) I wish I'd thought before accepting the
cix default!
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amiga/news #3591, from arabella, 637 chars, Jun 19 21:09 93
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I am a little ashamed for my bad English when I wrote before. This was
because of a party where I drunk too much champagne with my friend
Greta because we have parted our husbands each for a few months und
now we want to relax!
Greta does not belive Amiga, but I have A4000 with Fastlane SCSI-2
controller und 16 MBYTE ram I use for my film werk offline. But there
are bad news that Commodore close the Vienna office and all will be
German, just like when we had the Anschluss. You hear this?
How weather in England is? Greta tell me we should go in this summer.
If we come will any friend help us? We bring chocolate.
xxx Arabella
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amiga/news #3592, from sod, 145 chars, Jun 19 21:18 93
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It gets embarassing when I have to phone someone at CIX to change
my address or credit card number. The always ask you for your
nickname.
Andy
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amiga/news #3593, from sod, 163 chars, Jun 19 21:30 93
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I think that the standard answer for British weather is variable ;-).
Warm days and thunderstorms seem to be the flavor of the month at the
moment though!
Andy
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amiga/news #3594, from jack, 472 chars, Jun 19 23:29 93
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Psygnosis continues as before, but Hetherington and Ellis get to set
up Sony Electronic Publishing (Europe), which will have a new staff
and a London office. There are some distribution changes which should
increase sales but won't affect Psygnosis product development. I
imagine they will continue to publish on whatever formats they make a
profit on, though the Sony connection suggests they will continue to
be particularly interested in CD-ROM based games.
Rgds, Jack
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amiga/news #3595, from amiller, 252 chars, Jun 20 00:12 93
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>
>Thinking I am that you are having the private informations of Herr amiller?
>
I can see a digitised pic is the only way to bring this to a short end :-)
You have binmail!
... Whad'a ya mean you cant find it.....
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amiga/news #3596, from amiller, 67 chars, Jun 20 00:54 93
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I think there may be a little fog around at the moment...
Andy
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amiga/news #3597, from jhawkes, 383 chars, Jun 20 01:29 93
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Seems fair enough. I have a problem with english after a few beers.
(Mind you, I'm from Gloucestershire, we have our own language anyway.)
The weather right now is dark with occasional black bits. Probably
because it's 01:15 BST. I've just come back from a wonderful party, so
what I think is probably wrong.
Meanwhile, we have Glastonbury, Phoenix festival & Reading. BANZAI!
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amiga/news #3598, from robaxter, 158 chars, Jun 20 02:06 93
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>Thinking I am that you are having the private informations of
>Herr amiller?
I bet Arabella's English is a darn sight better than your German
;-)
Rob
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amiga/news #3599, from robaxter, 172 chars, Jun 20 02:06 93
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>> Arabella (von Daimler)
>
>Welcome
Piers has a thing about German ladies... Believe me, I know ;-)
Oh dear, off topic again - I'm going to get flamed again...
Rob
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amiga/news #3600, from robaxter, 586 chars, Jun 20 02:06 93
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TITLE: TOPIX
In order to keep the information content of Amiga/news high, why
don't we create another topic called newsanalysis or newsopinions.
I don't actually wish to moderate such a conf topic myself.
Maybe someone with an interest in the *discussion* generated recently
would have a go at doing that.
Amiga news is a valuable source of information, but as has been
suggested of late, the signal to noise ratio is rather poor.
I would be the first to admit that I have been as guilty of that as
anybody else.
Just a thought... (maybe this could lead to a vote???)
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amiga/news #3601, from robaxter, 71 chars, Jun 20 02:06 93
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>Andy (doesn't have a fancy signature!!!)
Neither do I... ;-)
Rob
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amiga/news #3602, from anicholson, 435 chars, Jun 20 09:29 93
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grahame said:
> I want the Amiga to present a
> continued viable alternative to MS-dos derived systems, and I want to
> contribute to that. The participation of experienced Amiga users is
> vital to this process for me and for anyone else trying to learn.
As a small aside, I have heard that Sage are considdering converting
their Financial Controller software the Amiga....
Nothing is official yet, so don`t spread this.
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amiga/news #3603, from phammant, 82 chars, Jun 20 09:29 93
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Hi Rob,
I think the newsanalysis topic would be a good idea.
- Paul Hammant
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amiga/news #3604, from kholland, 96 chars, Jun 20 11:52 93
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>I bet Arabella's English is a darn sight better than your German
Wahrscheinlich!
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amiga/news #3605, from kholland, 106 chars, Jun 20 11:52 93
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Not German...... Austrian. There's a world of difference to the Austrians.
Right Arabella?
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amiga/news #3606, from dj, 579 chars, Jun 20 13:18 93
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Well, thats ok, we can just withdraw the noise.
Ask yourself is that post really necessary....
Recent topics of news have been a bogus rumour, stupid german proverbs, and
Amiller's size. There has been no actual news, and if people don't prattle
on like eight year olds commenting on all and any message, or writing large
tomes giving everyone careful directions in the art of egg sucking, maybe
there'd be a smidgen more news. A new topic is unnecessary, and as you
yourself said you aren' prepared to moderate it so why the hell should me
and Dave put ourselves out.
Dj
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amiga/news #3607, from arabella, 262 chars, Jun 20 16:54 93
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It is hurtful that you say "stupid German proverb". You have good
intelligent welsh proverbs?
I ask for news: is Commodore close the Austrian office? So far, no
reply. Tsusch!
We will talk sizeof(amiller) at 2lounge.
I think you have bad day.
xxx Arabella
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amiga/news #3608, from arabella, 287 chars, Jun 20 16:54 93
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I fear dj does not like us to speak this here. In Austria we sing the
language like Mozart, Strauss. Austria is like to German what Wales is
like to England.
NEWS QUESTION: Is true that all 4091 SCSI boards have been used in US
for A4000 Toaster and none in Europe are?
xxx Arabella
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amiga/news #3609, from jwalker, 47 chars, Jun 20 17:01 93
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amiga/load_a_bollocks might be a better title.
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amiga/news #3610, from sanjeev, 144 chars, Jun 20 17:42 93
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Any idea when this will happen? Is the London office only for
aministrative duties, or is it going to be a development centre
as well?
Sanj
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amiga/news #3611, from jmack, 534 chars, Jun 20 18:14 93
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Arrabella
My understanding is that all Commodore offices are being closed in Europe
with the exception of UK, Germany, France and Italy.
This is so that they can get the cost base down and concentrate on
the Amiga 1200 and future generations.
Our view at Mindscape is that this strategy will work, and therefore
we are continuing to support the Amiga; ie I am authorising new
titles for the Amiga format.
We intend to lead on the A1200, and port down to A600.
Hope this info helps. Mail me if you want further info.
Jim Mackonochie
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amiga/news #3612, from robaxter, 36 chars, Jun 20 21:59 93
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Oh well, just a thought...
Rob
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